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At least in the U.S. and Canada, that is.
This was brought to my attention thanks to a Reddit post where a user (presumably a resident of Canada), had posted how Lenovo was shipping laptops with Fedora and Ubuntu at a cheaper price compared to their Windows-equipped counterparts.
Others then chimed in, saying that Lenovo has been doing this since at least 2020 and that the big price difference shows how ridiculous Windows’ pricing is.
Cutting the Windows Tax
When I dug in further, I found out that the US and Canadian websites for Lenovo offered U.S. $140 and CAD $211 off on the same ThinkPad X1 Carbon model when choosing any one of the Linux-based alternatives.
US pricing on left, Canadian pricing on right.
Interestingly, while the difference in pricing is noticeable, your mileage may vary if you are looking for such laptops on the official website. Not all models from their laptop lineup, like ThinkPad, Yoga, Legion, LOQ, etc., feature an option to get Linux pre-installed during the checkout process.
Luckily, there is an easy way to filter through the numerous laptops. Just go to the laptops section (U.S.) on the Lenovo website and turn on the “Operating System” filter under the Filter by specs sidebar menu.
Yes, it’s as simple as that. You can do the same for the various official online regional storefronts that Lenovo runs to see whether Linux-based operating systems are being offered on their laptops in your country.
Closing Thoughts
It is good to see that Lenovo is offering Linux in its laptops. In fact, there is another big-name laptop manufacturer, Dell, who also does something similar with its Ubuntu-certified laptops, but both have the same constraint of having limited options for buyers.
Also, as far as I know, Dell doesn’t reduce the pricing if you choose Linux instead of Windows. Correct me if I am wrong in the comments.
Nonetheless, I think these manufacturers could do a better job in marketing these Linux-based alternative operating systems to general consumers, showing them how they can save big when opting for these instead of the pricey and bloated Windows.
Otherwise, we might have to start observing Windows Refund Day again.
💬 Your take on this? Would mainstream users benefit from having Linux pre-installed on their laptops?
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Only on North America, you say?
pity.
For at least the last decade, Europe has been abandoning Microsoft in droves.
I suspect soon Microsoft will be unknown in Europe except as “That system they use over there.”
The system that should not be named!
That is awesome
More manufacturers need to do this!
This is awesome and I love it. Maybe they could even take a few more dollars off by not having any OS installed (bypassing the labor costs of imaging an SSD). I’ll be installing my own copy anyway, so I’m fine with a blank SSD.
Those manufacturers where you can select either Linux or no OS don’t charge extra for Linux.
I mean it’s like maybe a dollar or two for the labor costs, so that’s understandable. I’d still prefer just a blank SSD anyway.
It’s likely done in an automated way by the same equipment that tests the hardware, so costs are probably more along the lines of a few fractions of a penny, and imo shipping any device without an os at all is a bit silly as they could very likely end up in the hands of someone without the capability or equipment to image them.
2025 is the year of the Linux
desktoplaptop!I thought OEMs only paid like $10 for Windows?
they tend to make money off it due to the bundle deals and commissions and what-not.
a major oem charging $140-200 is all profit.
Perhaps it’s a direct response to the tarrifs, as well as an instance of a Chinese company finding a way to fuck over an American company now that trade relations across the board between the US and PRC are juddering to a halt.
It says they’ve been offering this since 2020
It’s usually 10% of the device MSRP for windows pro.
There are some very low cost devices that get it for $10 for windows home…
Looks like this was Windows home. Windows pro was a $ upgrade.
I think you misunderstood what’s being discussed. In this post, all Windows versions cost money. It’s just they bake it into the advertised price and say Linux is a reduction, which means you’re paying the difference if you choose to go with the default. It isn’t free, no matter how they display it.
Seriously? Go back and read carefully.
In the post, Linux has a “negative” cost. In reality this means it’s closer to the base cost and the “free” Windows is baked into the price, not actually free. Both versions of windows have a cost. One is higher than the other though.
Just for you and your misreading: the previous guy said Windows Pro is 10% of MSRP. Well you open the pic in the original post and surprise it’s ~10% for Windows Home version. Aka just for you; you pay 10% for Windows HOME edition, aka everyone knows it’s not free because you just paid 10% for it. Windows Pro edition is a $ upgrade from the HOME edition, which for this offer puts Windows Pro closer to ~15%. Not the 10% the previous guy thought. The only person that misread and couldn’t follow the post is you.
OK, just so you’re aware, since you are being condescending, there’s two pictures. One of them Windows Home is ~10%, one Windows Pro is ~10%.
Both cost money. I don’t know what $ upgrade means, but I’m assuming you mean they cost extra, which both do no matter what, which is what I was talking about at first. It’s not only one that costs extra.
I wonder what the labor is to install it. Well I guess it’s the same labor as Linux.
Anyone know how they do it? Do they plug the drive into a cloning machine before installing it in the computer?
They have an image of the OS that they copy on the SSD for each machine.
Free rainbow socks or no deal!
I quite like their laptops but they put the most horrible keyboards I’ve ever used. I’ve had chronic rsi and my fingers physically hurt less than 8h of use.
Do they have high end laptops (32g RAM, top i7 or similar, for Android development) at reasonable prices with good keyboards? I’ve been on Xps for a while.
I actually prefer the Lenovo keyboard to any other laptop keyboard in existence. Be it HP, Dell, Microsoft, Asus, Acer or otherwise.
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I have been running popos on my x1 for some years now. Only had problems with audio not working from one day to another, but other than that it has great support from Lenovo. Even the 4G modem has official drivers.
My plan is working nicely, next laptop will be a Lenovo
So when will Asus & Dell do it ?? Actually; now that I think, why aren’t FrameWorks, System76, Tuxedo & StarLabs not aggresively competing ??
Dell did it years ago, not sure if they stopped or what.
Can anyone tell me why Ubunto? Long term support?
It is easy to use and well-known.
I thought Mint was the easy to use one and well known.
For people outside of the Linux space, Ubuntu is more heard.
Mint doesn’t have a proper company behind it.
It’s a community project adding a little fluff on a Ubuntu base.
Ubuntu can actually provide proper support, which Mint doesn’t.
Does Ubuntu have a company behind it? I thought they were all communities.
It does
Mint is Ubuntu with the icky stuff removed and an additional layer of polish added on top.
In the literal sense.
What’s the icky stuff?
Proprietary stuff like snaps mostly.
Mint is an Ubuntu derivative.
Mint has some weird issues sometimes. I spent hours trying to configure smooth scrolling in Firefox (I don’t want it to be with 3 line increments, which Mint had enabled by default), also the network stack was odd, all the websites were opening with a delay. I was blaming my ISP, until I realized MQTT commands also run with a delay. So if someone says Ubuntu is more predictable, I would agree.
Yes, Predictable release cadence is also important.
Manufacturers have to validate that it is going to continue working and remain supported. Rolling releases are basically impossible to accommodate in that process.
It’s also likely that Canonical is providing free assistance to them, in order to secure enterprise contracts on the other end.
It doesn’t hurt that Ubuntu is from South Africa. Other Linux companies that I know of may be European like Suse but they’re derived from Red hat who’s an American company. Ubuntu comes from Debian which I think is not a company?
Would mainstream users benefit from having Linux pre-installed on their laptops?
Installing Linux is the easiest part of switching to Linux. If Linux was 100% the same as Windows in terms of user experience, everyone would have switched to Linux by now
The problem is that people nowadays are just as tech incompetent as they were when the first computer came out. Instead of having a basic understanding of how to use a computer, they just memorize where do click in order to Start application x and do thing y. So the Moment you just slightly alter the workflow, they just lock up. Next time you are at a normie friends house, just try and put a link from their desktop into a folder with the same Name. I will bet my ass they will lock up the Moment the icon of that link has changed.