The best one I’ve ever heard is they like the Microsoft wallpapers. Yes i told them you can use them on linux too. But they argued with me that they wouldn’t be compatible.
A friend of mine finally decided to heed my advice and try it out. He successfully installed fedora and was pleasantly surprised by the ‘clean’ design (of gnome). He then enabled his Bluetooth headphones and DMed me that they won’t connect. The BT menu wouldn’t show them.
Now, I wouldn’t call him stupid, so I committed a grave sin of troubleshooting when I decided to not offend his intelligence. We hopped on a call and started debugging. Looking at drivers, support for his hardware, logs for any errors… He didn’t have another device to connect through BT at the moment and I was out of ideas, so we called it a night and decided to try again tomorrow.
By the time we reconnected the next day, he had already reinstalled windows, but was suffering from the same issue.
And then it downed on me… “Did you pair your headphones?” I asked, afraid of the answer. He just blinked twice and the “what do you mean?” hit me so hard I couldn’t even laugh. “I’ve never had to do that before…”
Some painful explanations later, or an argument really, and his headphones were paired. But by that time he had had enough and didn’t want me to bother him about Linux again. Needless to say, pointing out it was his misunderstanding of the technology that ultimately led to this outcome didn’t really help.
This memory still injects fury in my veins as I fall asleep, right there with fumbling my words when speaking with my highschool crush…
“I’ve never had to do that before…”
Not trying to shit on the guy, but like, that’s literally the first thing you do with BT anything. 😄
I guess that really depends on the equipment though, some devices when you turn it on for the first time will automatically enter pairing mode, so all that had to be done is click it in the bluetooth menu, but it might not auto enter pairing mode when you turn it on after. So it’s unlikely the user ever knew they were pairing it, and just clicked through the prompts like many do
Yeah, no, of course. But that’s kinda my point: there was still an initial pairing. I’m not trying to be antagonistic or anything. I just find it a bit silly that one could research how to replace their entire OS with one they’re not familiar with but not realize they’re gonna have to re-pair their BT devices.
Then again, I think we’re all guilty of sometimes missing small details. I once put a PC together for a buddy and couldn’t figure out why it wouldn’t post only to eventually realize I was a dummy who forgot to plug in the CPU power. 😂
We all have been there. First technical build I struggled for 45 minutes trying to figure out why I was getting a zero display whatsoever only to find out that I plugged that damn HDMI cable into the wrong port, and the board had disabled everything including post and splash from using the motherboards port
People blame everything on whatever the last change was
Went to the mechanic for an oil change and now my AC doesn’t work? The mechanic must have fucked my AC while changing my oil!!! 1!1!1!1
All while claiming they did “nothing” when they f-ed up themselves.
Around '98, a tech support guy got a call that their application didn’t work anymore. He tried to troubleshoot, but the system was a mess. “Did you change anything since yesterday?” - “No, we didn’t!”.
What they did do, though, was running the Win98 update the day before. Which, at one point, after doing lots of things, complained that it could not continue for some reason, and offered to “undo” the changes…
I find a big part of trying to be the friend that transitions to Linux is taking on the role of mentor. It’s something a lot of wish we could just hand to someone and dust off our hands, but that ultimately leads to experiences like yours.
For a better chance of success, especially on first install, be on the line with them as they go through the steps, or in person is better yet.
Answer all the questions you can and help them install all their usual stuff. Most people don’t want to have to go through this change, so making it fun and social goes a long way.
Indeed that was my intention. I just never thought that he wouldn’t be familiar with something so ubiquitous in today’s world, so I didn’t even think to ask. That’s why this situation is so infuriating to me, not so much that he didn’t know, but that my assumptions prevented me to resolve it
We regularly believe that, because we know, everyone else knows, and that’s a failure I’m extremely guilty of. I gave my sister a Qnap NAS about 6 years ago and told her to just plug it in, plug in the land cable and set it up. 2 years after that she calls me asking for info on a data recovery service for her Mac. So I asked her why she needed data recovery, that’s what the NAS was for. Well, she did what I told her, but never configured backing up her files.
So, yeah, now I assume everyone is ignorant and pass for arrogant some times over explaining.
Most people’s reasons in my experience demonstrate to me that they have a perception of Linux as it was 15+ years ago.
I discussed switching to Linux with a group of friends in a voice chat some time ago, most were fairly open to it, and one or two have switched since, but mainly their reasons were time constraints, not wanting to go through the process of backing up files, and finding alternative software.
One guy in particular brought up gaming, MS office, and some other particular software they used. I showed them protondb and every game they looked up was gold or higher, showed them libre office which they could not complain about since it generally works a lot nicer, and it turned out that other software was available as a .deb. After all of this, the reason they gave me was “but I like Windows”.
Fair enough I guess, though they couldn’t really produce the reason as to why.
Generally, people just don’t like any kind of change, even if it has the potential to make them a lot happier.
After all of this, the reason they gave me was “but I like Windows”.
This is the response I normally get as well, which infuriates me to no end, because it isn’t an actual reason, it is ultimately their decision, and I feel like they are making a mistake out of laziness or perceived comfort.
Whenever they say “… but I like Windows.” I’m like: Ah so you like CandyCrush ads on your homescreen. Got it. Yeah who doesn’t like to look at some ads first thing in the morning.
It’s my opinion that most people think of all the technology as it were 15 years ago. Apple was innovative, Google wasn’t evil, Windows worked well, and Linux was not as accessible as it is today.
I had two bouts with Linux in the distant past, and neither time did I think Linux was anything worth pursuing. Not that it was bad, I just didn’t see a benefit over the alternatives. In fact the alternatives had all the benefits in my mind.
When I switched a year ago, I was blown away how far it had come as far as being accessible. Now I can’t imagine using Windows as my primary OS ever again.
“Never used Linux,” They say, typing on a chromebook or android phone, before picking up their steamdeck.
while browsing the web (hosted on linux).
Not to interject, but when people talk about using “Linux” they’re generally referring to desktop Linux (usually GNU/Linux). ChromeOS and SteamOS are Linux distros of a sort under the hood, but they’re also highly curated experiences. Android technically uses the Linux kernel but architecturally it’s so drastically different from basically any other system using it that it’s quite misleading to call it “Linux” in the colloquial sense.
If it came pre-installed on laptop majority wouldn’t mind.
That’s really the crux of it. M$ bought in back in the 80s and people are too damn lazy to change their defaults.
My grandfather’s reason for it. “It will be too different from my current system”
… the only thing he does is the web browser, and bookworm deluxe which i have confirmed does work via wine. I was recommending him install an OS called q4os, which I have on my laptop, I showed him the side by side comparison of q4os vs windows. For a point of reference this is what q4os looks like
I think he is too scared of change.
I still don’t know how Wine works and I’m a Linux advocate.
yea but he wouldn’t need to handle that, I do all his setup, he just has to click the shortcut that opens the game just like he does currently.
It’s pretty simple actually. Mine runs the program as it would normally and whenever the program reaches out to say “create this file” or “load this font” for example Wine will grab that call and translate it into a Linux OS command. As long as the program gets all their Windows API calls and windows specific files requests satisfied it will happily continue.
This is why ARM support is such a hassle for wine since the processor is with a different architecture so the compiled binary needs to be translated as well with all the nuances.
I have never managed to get any exe to start with wine and god i have tried. I have no idea why it never works but a menu comes up and i can choose a lot of stuff, nothing in there works so i have just given up. Putting things and run through steam is stupid but works so i just run everything through steam 😂 Wish I didn’t have to.
Being in this same boat with wine, and my ever-growing hate of Windows is what made me stay in Linux and never look back. I’ve been using everything linux-native for the last 9 years, and not once have I thought of using Windows again.
I do, however play games in Linux, ever since my wife got me a steam deck for my birthday 😁
Wine has some compatibility differences between its versions — I’ve had to downgrade it before because the newer version didn’t work with the app I wanted. So, if you’re ever in the mood to try again, you could check out an older version, and perhaps try launching a simpler app like notepad which is iirc supplied with Wine.
Also, Wine launched from the command line, with the exe as the parameter, usually prints a lot of stuff some of which may say what libraries weren’t found, and
winetricksallows installing those libraries easily (if it’s still around, I haven’t done this in a while). Typically something like ‘MS C++ redistributables’ or the .NET framework is necessary.
It translates Windows API calls to X and POSIX API calls. Theoretically it comes with a performance hit but as benchmarks have shown that is usually not the case as both Wine and the entire system as a whole are more efficient than Windows. Wine will fail whenever an application requests an API call that is not implemented yet, sometimes copying DLLs from Windows helps, sometimes…
That’s on you
“Lack of consensus on pronunciation of name.”
And I stand by it.
Agreed. But it does make it easy to tell evil Linux users from good Linux users. I pronounced it so you can tell who is who.
I’m so glad you agree that Linux users are the evil ones.
Obvious, right? Only an evil person would say it that way.
What if the browser doesn’t work? It will work.
Most silly excuse was my boss refusing to install Linux because he just had a friend give him original windows 98se licenses for the PCs we just bought for the company.
Well it gets less silly thinking that getting the eprom programmer software and orcad 4 working on Linux was probably impossible.
Then it was outright the best decision ever, because those machines never required a reinstall and worked flawless for the 5 years I was there working. Never understood the bad rep W98Se had. Never used it on my personal rigs of course.
“I wanna try out this FreeBSD thing.”
In my experience, there are no silly reasons. Most people tend to stick to what they’re familiar with and not to experiment. And that is just fine.
On the other hand there are also other people eager to learn something new. Take your time and invest your energy in them. Show them around. It is a win:win.
On the other hand, there are people wasting our time (relatives) and have no data in the machine which is a glorified browser.
For them I installed Linux mint, left a 200x200 Firefox icon on the desktop (which they already used) and called it a day.
If they accidentally hit the mute button on the YouTube page, that was going to happen regardless and I’ll get to it when I get to it next time I visit (if I have time). It’s kind of amazing how they can resolve it themselves when you don’t solve the issue for them quickly.
Edit: my point was: their desire for no change does not come before my desire to have an up to date secure OS for them to use (even of it’s just YT browsing)
“not polished enough” when comparing to widose
Sounds like they’d like gnome
Sometime around 2004, I somehow managed to get a friend to try Linux. They spent an entire weekend compiling a custom kernel just to run some experimental beta driver that might have made Doom 3 somewhat playable on their system. Everything compiled just fine, but whenever they booted up the system, they discovered they had forgotten to re-enable sound support. A recompile fixed that, but performance wasn’t what they were expecting. I think they got like 15fps or something like that. After a few weeks of using Linux they reinstalled win-xp…
that was a pretty valid response in 2004
last few years tho …was windows faster back then then linux?
Hard to say, but I’d say no…
Nope, but gaming was essentially non-existing. We had almost no native title, and wine while great was very hit or miss. I remember having to tweak a lot for each game, from the basic whine version to the DLLs installed, etc, usually going only by what was on WineHQ, or troubleshooting yourself on guesses. Eventually PlayOnLinux was created and we had a repository of a “stable” way to run a game, but it was still bad. Eventually some Indie games started releasing for Linux, and I swore off wine except for some very specific stuff. When Steam was released for Linux, it was a great time, and some native games came our way. And then Proton happen and while lots of us were a bit uncertain about it, it turned out to be great, and thanks to that we’re now in a state where the majority of games just work.
But back to your question, the general Linux experience outside of gaming (and other software compatibility) was not much different than today, with the exception of Xorg configurations, which I still to this day remember I don’t have to do anymore and immediately all other problems seem insignificant.
for alot of people their relationship with windows is like that of an abusive partner. which is why you see alot of the same excuses pop up
Some dude just posted that he’s not going to Linux because he can’t play Rust on it…
These reasons are always the dumbest to me, they act like they can’t dual boot. I think most of the time they just can’t be bothered which is fine, but just say that.
To be fair, dual booting is not really for people that aren’t very tech savvy. Just thinking about trying to explain partitions to some people I know is giving me a headache
Fair, the first thing I teach anyone who gets a dualboot up and running, is how to install boot repair disk on a flash drive and how to run the system repair on it(easy enough since it autoruns). It fixes most basic BS that windows can do to a Linux install
“it’s not for desktop use”