According to the release:
Adds experimental PostgreSQL support
The code was written by Cursor and Claude
14,997 added lines of code, and 10,202 lines removed
reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks
This makes me uneasy, especially as ntfy is an internet facing service. I am now looking for alternatives.
Am I overreacting or do you all share the same concern?
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They are not even trusting it themselves. This is from the release notes
I’ll not instantly switch ntfy.sh over. Instead, I’m kindly asking the community to test the Postgres support and report back to me if things are working
Fuck that.
I’m a developer
I sometimes sometimes use AI for an answer to a complicated problem because normally I’d open up 20 pages , have to go through them all to find the right answer
AI gets me the answer right away, though it likely is completely wrong or at least partially wrong. Either way, it gives me a general direction and with that I only have to search through one or two pages to confirm, so the same process is just a little faster.
I laso have used AI on a couple of occasions to ask it to write code for a complicated problem. Again, you don’t copy the code, god no, it’s always the worst, and it is in 80% of the cases still at least riddled with bugs, or just complete bullshit. However, it might give me an alternative idea or a direction to take to implement or fix this complicated feature problem.
That’s the extent to which I’ve used AI and for the foreseeable future that won’t change because AI still can’t code. It’s still wildly flailing around and it might produce something that implements a certain functionality, but it’s a guarantee that that functionality will have more bugs and security holes than features
I am also a developer and agree entirely.
Asking for advice, examples or the occasional boilerplate is at most how I use AI and certainly not integrated directly into my IDE.
I understand this comment. AI sometimes saves a ton of mental power and time when I’m stuck on an issue. It can give some really good suggestions. Also, AI is a godsend for frontend shit. I don’t care what y’all say, I’m never touching CSS and HTML ever again. lmao.
Nah, wouldn’t do that. CSS needs to be well designed to function properly, you need actual developers for that or you’ll screw over your users.
But yeah, to give quick pointers and ideas to flesh out, it’s reasonably useful
If that is enough to warrant it’s extreme energy use, the spread of AI slop everywhere, the pollution, the uncontrolled datacenter expansions, the explosion in hardware costs it created, the countless death and suffering it caused through AI psychosis, the AI childporn bots (hello grok, are you still the world’s biggest child porn producer or did Elmo finally reign you in to again be mecha Hitler?), the…
Long story short, AI will likely end this world in a long list of fucked up ways, I don’t think it’s worth it
Until then, I’ll use it as a suggestion tool, not much more
Bro, what the hell. Lmao. “Hey AI is horrible in all ways and is doing harm to the planet and people and kids, but I’ll use it regardless. Hear me I’m a good guy. I hate AI, but I’ll use it”. That’s virtu signaling, isn’t it?
It’s not virtue signalling, I know very well what I’m doing is hypocritical at best, but it’s also unavoidable for me. For one, I’m using it like this at work where they’d love nothing better than for me to start vibe coding. This is the compromise I’ve been able to make so far.
No judgement. I just thought it was funny.
Well yeah
I’m not proud of it, in any case :)
Look, if he wanted to introduce AI code, whatever, but doing it all at once in a 14k line change is crazy.
Surely it would be better to introduce AI by letting it handle misc changes here and there instead of starting with the “biggest release ever done” (his words), no?
Definitely time to find an alternative. What the actual fuck is this
Fuck, I love ntfy, it’s one of the best self hosted push notification systems I’ve used. It has been flawless so far.
Don’t like this.
This doesn’t make me uneasy. It makes me resentful, a little angry, and a lot tired. Thanks for bringing it to attention, I will make sure that nothing of that project or from that author will ever cross my ecosystem again.
You’re gonna have a lot of hate in your blood if you go around acting like the most skilled engineers aren’t using AI to write code.
Most skilled engineers, and even mildly skilled engineers don’t use slopgenerators to write code. Some of them use it sometimes to do some menial tasks, although I’m not convinced it actually saves them time. It sure doesn’t every time we measure it.
There is however a plague of low skilled people who convinced themselves that they’ve found a shortcut to being an engineer. Those people are producing bad things at a fast pace, and the only reason we’re not in an unsolvable crisis yet is that their slop isn’t hitting prod very often on account of being bad.Lol you can definitely generate a large amount of non slop and if you keep believing that then you’ll never see it as a tool to multiply your skills on.
That’s concerning. If it was “I generated a function with an LLM and reviewed it myself” I’d be much less concerned, but 14k added lines and 10k removed lines is crazy. We already know that LLMs don’t generate up to scratch code quality…
I won’t use PostgreSQL with ntfy, and keep an eye on it to see if they continue down this path for other parts of ntfy. If so I’ll have to switch to another UP provider.
I just set up a ntfy server for Unified Push earlier this week to use with Matrix. Now I have to turn around and immediately replace it…
I’ll embrace the inevitable fork.
I’d run for the hills
There are so many issues with AI
Like ppl thinking skilled engineers cannot vet AI output. AI is pretty good for programming.
I have a few decades programming experience, as a professional software engineer, an open source developer, and a DevOps engineer. There is no way in hell I would do a code review where 15k lines were added and a similar amount of lines removed without having a long discussion with the person who made those changes. I’d want to ask a lot of detailed questions about the changes, questions that an LLM isn’t likely to answer, and most definitely not questions I’d be inclined to try to type into an LLM to try to get an answer.
Over the years I’ve dealt with all manner of bugs, from overflows & underflows, to bad assumptions about logic flow, and much much more. The whole purpose of pointed questioning of the author is to be comfortable with decisions made in the code and to minimize the chances of all sorts of potential bugs.
I think it largely depends on what you’re building. You’re not gonna get what you’ve got over there over night with a few giant prompts.
It’s not. That’s the problem. It actually sucks ass. It’s super low quality for anything more complex they s very simple CRUD app or a simple function. I say this as someone who s a heavy LLM user. It’s just bad code. It makes all kinds of simple mistakes. Just because code compiles doesn’t mean it’s good or does what you need it to do
I think it largely depends on what you’re building. You’re not gonna get build a company overnight with a few prompts but it’s much more powerful than you’ve described.
It’s really not though. If you think it is I really suggest to re-think your perspective on what maintainable shippable code looks like. It’s basically automating copying from stack overflow. There’s so many little considerations that come into development.
Still sounds like something someone would say who has had a bad time and experience with generating code lol. It really isn’t that hard to be an engineer and to get what you want out of code generation.
You’re absolutely right, and the vast majority of people on this platform seem to get offended by anything AI related. Software engineers have been reviewing code made by other people since the dawn of the craft. Guess what y’all, AI generated code looks exactly the same, if not better on the first pass at creating a thing.
Down vote me all you want homies. You’re living in a fantasy if you think all AI is slop. Sure, I can see how it’s ruining some content on the Internet, but for code related tasks, its going to dramatically change the world for the better.
Ppl are fucked lol, I’m over here writing a lot of stuff with AI, maybe it’s not always perfect but nothing ever is, and without iteration or dedication to the craft you’re just gonna sit there be all upset and judgy because you’ve never seen it lol
I’m so tired of that.
I’m using it for scripts notifications + unifiedpush. I don’t know where to start to find the fitting alternative.
The maintainer you and said that they tirelessly tested, reviewed and verified changes over the course of 3 weeks to make sure that things were running and operating correctly.
This is how it should be done. It’s not like they’re vibe coding this.
If more people were contributing there wouldn’t be a need for AI.
Non-sense comment. The project was fine without AI. And it’s so stupid: how do you expect people to contribute if there’s only AI? How do you expect developers to learn to code if everything is AI?
Same as always - by coding.
Im quite hesistant with idea of AI writing my code. At one point your AI wont help you with fixing certain bug and you will have to go through all of this AI slop. Not to mention you deploy debt code.
Uovote and comment on: https://github.com/binwiederhier/ntfy/issues/1645
Please add this to the post.
Well now I certainly am glad I didn’t migrate from Gotify as I’ve been slowly planning.
Time for a fork?