I would like to turn on mood lighting automatically when I’m taking a shower, what’s the best way to detect that?

  • I’ve considered humidity sensors, but that will take a while to kick in and not immediately when the shower starts.
  • I’ve also considered a water leak sensor but those are not meant to be trigger every day for a long time like 10-15 minutes. That would kill the battery, right?
  • Smart valves can kind of work, but it feels like overkill because I don’t care about the valve functionality.

I would prefer the solution to be battery powered (don’t want to be messing with too many cables around a shower), but I can’t seem to find one.

  • EarMaster@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    You could use a classic dead man switch: Place several buttons around the whole place - basically everywhere except in the shower. Once you stop pressing any of these buttons for - let’s say - 30 seconds you can assume you’re taking a shower.

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    13 days ago

    Without trying something similar yet, here are some ideas:

    • motion sensor on top of your shower
    • trying to detect the vibration of the water flow
    • a simple switch that you hit before you get into the shower

    Also think of other times you “use” the shower, like cleaning it. Some methods will also be triggered then.

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      13 days ago

      Good ideas, let’s see

      motion sensor on top of your shower

      That’ll detect my shower area motion not when shower in on. When I am cleaning the shower or sitting in a bathtub I don’t want mood lighting or other automations to be triggered.

      trying to detect the vibration of the water flow

      Vibration sensor can work but it’s a ceiling shower so I’ll have to see if I have enough space. This is the closest to a viable solution given my situation.

      a simple switch that you hit before you get into the shower

      Yeah that’s a fallback option, but I try to automate my home whenever I can and not perform manual tasks. I know my groggy morning self is forgetting to even hit this simple switch.

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    13 days ago

    I would just go with special button, the most straightforward simple solution you have direct control over. Also sometimes you might need to use the shower without mood lights and then system based on humidity or water flow will just be annoyance.

    If you use some tools when showering, like brush or spung, you can make a contact sensor into the hook/holder (more work, probably need a custom 3D print), but should also work and you don’t need to press anything

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    13 days ago

    I bet you can rig up something microphone-based, there’s tons of software nowadays for analyzing audio, and you don’t need to run the analyzing software on the device with the microphone anyway. Though the analyzing would likely take a little bit longer that you’d want it to.

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      13 days ago

      Microphone is certainly an interesting choice I hadn’t thought of before at all. It’s something I can test easily, I’ll have to see how well it plays with music too. I’ll give it a shot

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    12 days ago

    I use a humidity sensor, motion sensor and a helper that shows the change over a period of time. If the humidity raises fast (+2%/5m) and goes over a certain amount (unique, depending on your room’s climate) the bathroom automation changes tracks to hold the light at 100%, turn the extractor fan on, and well, how you stop the automation depends on you. I let it stay on for 15 minutes before waiting for motion. Small tips: For me the humidity triggers the automation within 15s-1m of showering, which is okay for me. Motion sensors typically use IR to see movement. If the room is too steamy it might struggle to see you. Also, it cannot penetrate glass. It must have a line of sight to you.

    The best alt I think would be mmwave presence sensors, but they’re pricy and require a wired connection.

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      12 days ago

      I already have a presence sensor (Tuya) in my bathroom. Maybe I can use that + humidity sensor, everyone is saying it’s faster than you expect so I’ll give it a shot.

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    12 days ago

    How about a simple on off toggle inside your shower handle? Stupid simple and works anytime the waters turned on.

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      12 days ago

      I … Didn’t think of that. I don’t have a lever shower but placing a simple button inside the niche for toiletries is such a simple solution. I’ll look for some IP67 buttons.

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      12 days ago

      This is perfect, but I’m not in the US :( I’ll see if I can get it imported.

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    12 days ago

    Flowmeter on the shower head or down in the supply lines to the tub/shower?

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    13 days ago

    Would a battery powered smart switch be an option?

    Hit the switch and let HA do a command series.

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      That’s a fallback option, but I try to automate my home whenever I can and not perform manual tasks. I know my groggy morning self is forgetting to even hit this simple switch.

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    11 days ago

    mmwave sensor, humidity sensor, and/or monitoring your water heater power usage. any of those 2 should work.

    I am actively working on a bunch of ML algorithms for home assistant for exactly this type of thing, detecting ‘activity’ per room.

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    7 days ago

    I’m using just humidity and its working great. I put the sensor away from my sink so it isn’t triggered by washing my hands.

    This will only consider you showering if humidity goes 9% above the 1hr average humidity:

    You need a ‘Statistics’ Helper, call it “Average Bathroom Humidity” and base it on whatever humidity sensor you have. Make it “average linear” then set Max Age to 1 hour. (leave other options default)

    Make this Template Binary Sensor called “Showering”:

    {{ (states('sensor.bathroom_sensor_humidity')|float - states('sensor.average_bathroom_humidity')|float) > 9 }}

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    13 days ago

    This is a fun question.

    I have to assume the absolute ideal would be some sort of water flow detection right in line with the shower head. Likely hard wired. But like I said, that’s an ideal.

    I think the other suggestions in the thread are reasonable. The microphone one seems most appealing to me since that could theoretically just occupy an outlet anywhere in the room.

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    12 days ago

    Motion sensor positioned really close to the shower controls so it doesn’t see anything but them/your hand moving.

    The bigger question might be how do you turn it off? I like the vibration sensor on the shower head