Good news for once
first they came for our russia backed nazis
then they came for our russia backed commies
slippery slope amirite!!!
And there’s not even any ICE over there!
(Don’t read too much into a silly pun)
Nice, take nazies (and Putin pawns) down one party at time
Found this a few posts down
https://feddit.org/pictrs/image/6676522c-4cc7-42a1-abe7-9e005f9e0c53.jpeg
That’s pretty funny ngl
Yes, let us learn from past mistakes for once!
So theyre banning the group these parties are a part of, and no the parties. Thats not even clickbait, thats just misinformation if im reading this correctly.
This is about parties in the EU parliament which are made up of representatives from national parties. The EU can’t ban parties on a national level.
Hear me out, and this may be radical. what if they instead address the neoliberal polices that have been transferring wealth to business owners from the working class for decades?
Why not both?
They would need to severely reduce the amount of migrants coming in, so that’s not happening.
Immigrants are a scapegoat.
Heads up: Your autocorrect accidentally changed billionaires to migrants.
Let’s see how the 30% of nazis and / or uneducated idiots who voted for them will react.
I just want to mention that this procedure is raised by party that have majority right now in parliament. That are European People’s Party - christian and conservative. They are the same as MAGA just not as radical (yet) as AfD. Whoever thinks that’s good thing may go to hell because I don’t want to be ruled by christian conservative idiots but I want them to fight against each other so they can show their true nature.
You’re absolutely right and those who downvote you need to have a wee looksie into parties like that.
There are a LOT of far right MEPs who pretend they’re not far right and are members of the conservative parties. So I’m not holding my breath.
Also wondering when Weidel will be arrested for treason.
…to pass chat control resolution
Not a fan. This is inherently anti-democratic, regardless of the views that the efn espouses.
These groups are themselves anti-democratic. Democracy is allowed to defend itself.
I would go further, democracy must defend itself. It’s an embarrassing failure to allow anti-democratic parties to gain power through democratic means.
Well, this is democracy undermining itself. Parties with millions of supporters don’t just randomly pop up for no reason. They come about due to real people having real problems.
Banning parties is a good way to become blind to that.
That is just a pragmatic argument, independent of my conviction that every citizen should have a right to equal representation, a right to be heard. No ifs’ and buts’ and no “but not like that” if I find their opinions unpalatable.
It is the same foundation I stand on to assert my own right. I will have my say. If that were taken away, I’d be inclined to tear it all down.
One very angry person can do a lot of damage today. How about the ten million who voted for AFD in the most recent German election? Or maybe just the seventy thousand who are active members? They are surely more extreme than you or I. That’s more people than there are jail cells in Germany right now.
It is definitely far too late for this, it should’ve been done 10 years ago, but better late than never. The cancer should’ve been surgically removed when it was small, now it has grown very large and removing it means losing an arm and half a lung but that’s no reason to give up and let it overtake the rest of the body.
Those aren’t real problems. They are lies specifically meant to influence people into believing that foreigners are a problem. That is why they are antidemocratic and must be banned. There’s already plenty of official evidence from a legal standpoint. How is this so difficult to understand?
How is this so difficult to understand?
Did you even read my comment?
Let me repeat the most important part for you:
every citizen should have a right to equal representation, a right to be heard. No ifs’ and buts’ and no “but not like that” if I find their opinions unpalatable.
That is my conviction, regardless of ideology. It doesn’t matter how much you highlight what the AFD stand for, because it is fundamentally irrelevant to my opinion on the subject.
Those aren’t real problems.
Which problems?
Decreasing standard of living? Rising energy prices? High home prices? A stagnating economy?
You don’t convince someone to change ideology by saying “your problems aren’t real”. You do it by identifying the real problems, because I promise you that they exist. Then, convince them that a better solution exists than what their current ideology proposes.
When people are being brainwashed into focussing on brown people = bad, then no. Fuck that. That has nothing to do with democracy. The AfD stands for nothing other than their own gains.
And the problems you listed aren’t the things they’re addressing.
There is no reasoning. It’s pure brain washing. Don’t support that kind of shit.
And the problems you listed aren’t the things they’re addressing.
They claim to (read their party program), and they’ve convinced millions to agree regardless of how we feel about that.
There is no reasoning.
This is the easy way out, dismissing them outright, simply retreating. Without understanding and addressing their claims, however false they may be, you are fundamentally handicapped in challenging them - it is one of the key reasons that the AFD have managed to become so large in the first place.
Such rhetoric might get clamor and agreement from those who already reject their ideas, but is unlikely to convince many, if anybody in the other camp.
Look, the entire fucking country tried to find reason in this party. There is none. They’re funded by Russia and want to destabilize Europe for their own gains. It’s painfully obvious. I understand your take and to a certain extent I applaud you for it. But the AfD is very officially unconstitutional and antidemocratic. And a ban is to prevent parties like that from fucking everything up. This happened to the NPD already and it was the right thing to do.
There is no room for fascists.
You are wrong. People like this shouldn’t be given a chance to be voted for, lest their propaganda wins and we end up in a full blown WW3.
Obviously these powers to ban a party must be kept under high scrutiny of the public incase they start banning all of their competition, but in this case right now It is good.
