• plyth@feddit.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    2 days ago

    with 73% believing politicians exploit historical disputes for gain.

    Considering that Putin asked to join forces with the EU in 2001 in a speech in the German parliament, doesn’t the entire conflict come down to politicians not overcoming historical disputes? If chancellor Kohl hadn’t objected a closer cooperation, would we have this war?

    • Melchior@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      2 days ago

      In 2001 the chancellor of Germany was Gerhard Schröder and not Kohl. Nobody in their right mind would argue that Schröder is anti Russian.

      • plyth@feddit.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 days ago

        Not saying that I am in my right mind but that’s not my argument. In 2001, the opportunities were still there, as the speech shows but with the Nato expansion the West had already decided against it and Kohl’s notes show that he was one of those who argued against Russia while publicly signaling a joined future. Unfortunately I have never read what his motivations were.

        Btw, it’s possible to argue that Schröder’s early engagement in Yugoslavia was anti Russian.

      • plyth@feddit.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 day ago

        That’s a good argument.

        I am inclined to believe him. It was his goal, but he knew about the US influence, and knew that Russia at first needed the institutions to withstand that influence.

        The audience must have known about the bombing of the appartment buildings and that Putin was not a full democrat and Putin must have been aware of that.

        Altogether that makes his offer still questionable.

      • plyth@feddit.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        2 days ago

        I can imagine that others have also objected, but that’s beyond my knowledge. Maybe somebody can add further references.