No. Here’s the funny thing: having human rights depends on nothing! That is what makes them ‘universal’ and ‘inalienable’.

Yes, they do. What alternate world do you live in? The UN declaration of human rights is nothing more than a listing of guiding principles to establish liberal based international order. The right to seek asylum literally has conditional in the original document. Like what are we even talking about?

Again not how human rights work. I’m pretty sure that even the state has better reasoning for the deports than you, as this would be such a blatant violation of human rights, that it would be very awkward for Germany.

It’s not a violation. You can repeat the same thing like a broken record, but it doesn’t mean anything if it’s not true. Germany doesn’t have to host them if they are a danger to German society or if they lied about their claim to asylum. It’ll only be a violation of human rights IF their claim to asylum was genuine AND they aren’t causing real harm to the host society. In this case, they violated both and therefore their cases got rejected. They’re not entitled to be in Germany or any country, again, this is literally baked in into article 14 of the human rights declaration.

You made that allegation often in this thread. But you do realize that defending the individual and their deed is very different from defending their rights?

That’s not allegation. That’s literally what you’re doing. You don’t seem to understand that you DON’T have a moral argument here. Germany is acting in accordance with human rights, the people in question got due process, deserve to get deported, and they got due process. What is there to complain about? It’s not like this is the first round of deportations to Afghanistan under the Taliban that Germany has had, and there has been no credible reports or evidence that any of the deportees have been abused or tortured for being deported. If that’s the case, why are you so hellbent here to defend these criminals? Your central argument simply doesn’t hold, and therefore, it’s not unreasonable to assume that you’re just defending the criminals because you think they’re entitled to be in Germany no matter what.

The right to asylum does not depend on whether you’re a nice or very shitty person.

But it does depend on whether or not you’re a genuine threat to society, which these individuals are.

So in the eyes of the law they’re redeemed and attoned?

They’re not German citizens or residents. Germany has no obligation to keep them in the country. They lost their legal status and chance at attaining asylum when they committing the crimes, and they’re no longer allowed in the country once they serve their sentences.

I’d say yes, very much, it’s an easy case for Afghanistan.

I’m not sure why you’re willing to go so far to defend literal rapists being deported, but there’s no credible evidence that the Taliban has gone after any of the deportees from the previous deportation rounds that Germany made. These are muslim Afghani men who were rejected from the west, I think the Taliban will embrace them if anything.

What is it now? Are they deported because they’re illegal or because the are “convicted of heinous crimes (drug trafficking and rape)”, as you wrote before?

It’s not complicated:

Foreign national enters the country illegally to seek asylum (which is fine) -> commits a serious crime -> their asylum case is no longer valid -> they no longer have legal status to remain the country -> deported

So they get a free pass now, because they’re of another nationality?

They don’t. They almost carry out their sentence in Germany first and the get deported right after. This is not a get out jail free card. This is a you’re leaving the country after you finish your sentence in jail card.

If they can deport criminals to war zones or places where said criminals may face execution or torture, they can do that with you too

But Afghanistan isn’t a war zone anymore and there’s no evidence that these individuals are going to be tortured. If there was credible evidence that this deportations would lead to state sanctioned torture, then you would be right, and these deportations should be halted. However, Germany has made similar deportations in the previous years and there hasn’t been any reported incidents of torture of any of the deportees.

Germany had similar deportations before, and the previous ones consisted of foreign nationals who committed serious crimes in Germany, got their asylum cases rejected, and we’re sent back to the country they came from.

Here’s what article 14 says:

Article 14

1. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.

2. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

The principle behind this article only applies to genuine cases of political prosecution, where the person seeking refuge is doing so in good faith. Countries can and often do reject asylum cases where the person seeking asylum either lies on their application or commits serious crimes inside the country they’re seeking refuge in. I don’t see these individuals being deported as a violation of this article.

Probably nothing. This is the Taliban we’re talking about. They don’t care about things crimes committed against non believers. All 20 of the deported are Afghani men, as long as they show loyalty to the Taliban, they’ll probably be left alone.

If someone is in Germany and is convicted of a crime then they have to go to prison in Germany.

My understanding is that if they’re convicted of a crime in Germany, they serve their sentence first and then get deported right after.

What human rights are being violated here? Immigrating to Germany or any country is not a right, it’s a privilege. These individuals went to Germany illegally, then committed serious crimes, were found guilty, and now they’re getting deported back to their country because they longer qualify for asylum. This is like the most basic and most common sense immigration policy to have, calling it a human rights violation is asinine.

They’re not being deported as a punishment, they’re being deported because they’re in Germany illegal and are no longer qualified to have an asylum case, so they’re being sent back to their country.

You sound dumb as hell. These 20 are literally Afghan nationals who entered Germany illegally, committed heinous crimes, got convicted in courts, and they’re being sent back to their country because they’ll never get approved for asylum. How can anyone feel any sort of sympathy to literal rapists and drug traffickers?

Look at who’s being deported before you write something dumb

The 20 being deported are convicted rapists and drug traffickers who were in Germany illegally. These are not the people you want to defend.