Hi, i am thinking of switching to gentoo, and wanted to ask if its a good idea. Anything i should look out for?
Btw im coming Form arch
Thx :3
I used Gentoo for a few years. I don’t recommend it at all!
first off, there are no tangible advantages. it’s not faster. it is more customizable (by use flags), but the only tangible advantage of those is bragging rights saying you kept a certain library off your system and saved 100kb. just enabling all features is more practical.
there are tangible disadvantages. a big system upgrade can take days. and often fails. and, the manual time you spend merging config files with dispatch-config is large.
I switched from Gentoo to debian after 3y of using Gentoo. i switched from debian to arch after about 10y later. been on arch for about 6y now. would not recommend Gentoo
Those things you listed are part of the fact, not all. Like saving 100kB. It does not matter in your 1TB hard drive, but it’s night and day in embedded systems. No benefit for you isn’t the same to no benefit.
the 100kb u save from the right use flags is nullified by the hundreds of mb needed to have the entire build tool chain on your system. there are dedicated distros for embedded systems that are much better suited. like alpine Linux. or LFS. (IIRC with LFS u can get the entire system installed 2 or 3 MB)
I mean, you can cross-compile to generate a Gentoo rootfs for the embedded system.
I worked on embedded systems for audio devices. I of course endorsed Alpine as well, but with musl as the C library I got weird bugs of stuttering audio output.
With Gentoo I get the option to build my entire system with musl as well, but I would rather have that bug not in my system. That’s what Gentoo offers: options.
By “LFS”, I think you mean Buildroot, practically. Buildroot is also highly customisable, but Buildroot isn’t a distro. Like LFS, there is no way yo update a system, only rebuilding with latest packages. It also does not have flags for the whole system, so you’re on your own if you want to disable, say IPv6, in the whole system.
As a noob to Linux, reading Gentoo Handbook & Arch Wiki has made me not only understand a PC better in terms of software management of hardware but understand Linux. I am nowhere near being able to actually use Gentoo. I installed Arch once, that been far enough for me with Linux. I know the people that wrote those guides need to be funny for Presidency because this is how we need to run the world. LOL
Does seem like being funny helps with running for president these days
I don’t know what helps. It’s not that much better around the world. Everyone is in a war.
If I could give only one reason to use Gentoo, it would be the community.
Anyway, if you choose this route, read the handbook through like a book first. Get an idea what you want your endpoint to be, then start.
Gentoo is very much like an manual transmission. If you ask anybody that drives manual they will say 1 of 2 things “i like it because it gives me control” or “i use manual because i always have”
I love gentoo as playing around and trying stuff out. My personal recommendation is use ZFS or btrfs for a file system and have subvolumes. So if you get so lost in the rabbit hole you can climb back up.
If your philosophy is" stable and mine!" Gentoo is for you. You can build a distro, with all the packages you want and once your done if you decide to update every month and dont care a whole lot about bleeding edge. It will work really well, it you want bleeding edge, you can have portage use ustable packages with a stable system. But you really must know what your doing or you WILL BREAK STUFF.
I ran gentoo for 6 months then went to debian, its a great learning tool for understanding how linux works under the hood. I would also recommended systemd over openrc. Its not that openrc is bad, its just alot of extra work for simple things to work.
Gentoo to me is more a messing around on a spare computer distro, than a production computer. Not that it cant be production, but im personally very lazy when i just want to use my personal pc.
Take your time with the install process. It’s possible that you may breeze through it. It’s also possible that you may discover that, say, there’s something wrong with the EFI implementation of the system you’re installing to that you need to do some research to resolve. I’ve had both experiences.
Once installed, Gentoo is pretty much rock-solid, and almost any issue you have can be fixed if you’re willing to put the effort in. Portage is a remarkably capable piece of software and it’s worth learning about its more esoteric abilities, like automatic user patch application.
Do take the time to set up a binary package host. This will allow you to install precompiled versions of packages where you’ve kept the default USE flags. Do everything you possibly can to avoid changing the flags on webkit-gtk, because it is quite possibly the worst monster compile in the tree at the moment and will take hours even on a capable eight-core processor. (Seriously, it takes an order of magnitude more time than compiling the kernel does.)
Install the gentoolkit package—equery is a very useful command. If you find config file management with etc-update difficult to deal with, install and configure cfg-update—it’s more friendly.
If you’re not gung-ho about Free Software, setting
ACCEPT_LICENSE="* -@EULA"(which used to be the default up until a few years ago) in make.conf may make your life easier. Currently, the default is to accept only explicitly certified Free Software licenses (@FREE); the version I’ve given accepts everything except corporate EULAs. It’s really a matter of taste and convenience.Lastly, it’s often worthwhile to run major system upgrades overnight (make sure you
--pretendfirst to sort out any potential issues). If you do want to run updates while you’re at the computer, reduce the value of-jand other relevant compiler and linker options to leave a core free—it’ll slow down the compile a bit, but it’ll also vastly improve your experience in using the computer.(I’ve been a happy Gentoo user for ~20 years.)
Not bad actually, but enable binary packages to speed up compilation.
Would be helpful hearing about WHY you want to switch if you’re already happy.
Im not, arch is a nightmare for me. I try to installiert something over pacman: ERROR. I try to fix the error, doesnt work because it needs certain shared library files… That i can not find.
But thats not the only thing, somehow the Servers are allways down and its not a nice little challange anymore. More like a piece of code designed to make me miserable.
I hope thats different in gentoo :)
I’m sorry for being blunt, but Arch is very easy and plug-and-play like, if you’re having these sorts of issues my guess is that you’re not familiar with Linux and are doing stuff “wrong” (e.g. installing drivers from a website). Gentoo is a LOT more complicated and will hold your hand a lot less than Arch, I recommend you try something more beginning friendly like Mint, Fedora or Bazzite, learn the basics, learn the “Linux way” of doing stuff, then try Arch again, then, when you have a better reason than because I broke it, you can try Gentoo.
This is not a “you’re too dumb to do it” answer, but imagine someone who’s having issues driving a shift stick car asking how it’s like to rebuild the engine. You’re capable of rebuilding the engine yourself, you’re able to use Gentoo, just not now, learn to walk before you try to bungee jump.
What the FUCK? are you saying i should switch from an os i can customize to a god damn terrabyte oft blaot? I know that i COULD fix it. I know how. But i just want an os i can tell what to do and then it does that, and ONLY THAT
Why do you think Mint/Ubuntu/Fedora/Bazzite are not that though? It seems you don’t know how to ask your system to do stuff because otherwise your Arch install wouldn’t break. Plus I bet that the default installation of any of those distros occupies around the same disk space than what you have now.
Honestly you read like an angsty teen who read Arch is advanced and wants to be 1337 by using it, a few years back you would have been using Kali. Let me tell you a secret, Arch is not advanced, it’s a very easy straightforward distro, it just starts from a mostly clean slate, but if you’re using gnome/kde/cinnamon or any DE that distros come prepacked with its just as bloated with extra steps.
I know, that arch isnt hard, its too easy. I installed Linux to challenge myself. Arch WAS a callange. Now i want something New. And harder.
Btw. You can choose what bloat you want to have in your system (only DE vor goodies too)
It’s easy but at the same time your system is always broke? Either you were lying there or are now.
Btw. You can choose what bloat you want to have in your system (only DE vor goodies too)
Precisely my point, you keep mentioning Arch as being Bloat free and complaining that Fedora or others are bloated.
Fedora comes preinstalled with Software i dont need, arch too. At least some.
Why do you like Arch? If you want the minimalism but you don’t want to compile everything yourself, I’d recommend Void Linux. It’s a lovely little distro; I only don’t daily drive it because of less package availability than Arch+AUR, and I couldn’t be bothered to package so many things myself. But I don’t remember their servers ever being down when I used it.
Well, to be honest, you’re choosing the two most difficult distros to manage.
It sounds like you’re kind of new to the area…why not just use Fedora?
Because i want a callange, and not a big pile oft bloat
That’s…an opinion that is not backed by any facts at all. What in the world are you talking about with “bloat” 🤣
So you’re a newbie, and making lots of wild claims and taking awfully opinionated positions in this thread all over the place. I don’t think you want help, so just be on your way 👍
Why do i need bluetooth compatibility if i dont usw it, why wifi?
If i dont want help, why would i ask?
Because they occupy so small disk size that they don’t matter and it’s easier to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. I wouldn’t call hardware support bloat ware.
Also, just so you know, Arch has Bluetooth and wifi compatibility even if you don’t install the packages, Gentoo does not. You would need to recompile your kernel with the correct configuration to enable those for your specific card.
Arch is just as bloated as Fedora, Mint or Bazzite. Hell, my Arch is a lot more bloated than any of those. This is Linux, the system is as bloated as you want it to be, but also having stuff installed doesn’t necessarily causes your computer to be slow, programs only execute when you tell them to.
Bluetooth is a fucking security risk, wifi too.
I dont care how bloated your os is. Also BLAOT IS WHY IM SWITCHING
Do you know about limited disk space? Cuz that doesnt seem to be a problem for you, maybe it is for tho? Who knows?
sounds like you might need to run reflector, and then update all packages
Its fun to learn how the system works, but after the 4-5th time trying to install something real quick, and there’s an error in your package.use or something, it gets a lot less fun.
If you have the time and patience, its really cool. But I just want a web browser without having to edit 3+ text files to allow it to work.
Are you looking to learn linux more or have a easy living experience, or what is the goal? If you want to get to know linux, learn how to compile a kernel, make your own initramfs and such, then: absolutely! If you want a stable easily maintainable system, then… maybe not. Like it is possible, and Gentoo is very stable, but if you are just starting, then you may make choices that do break when you upgrade. With some experience, this will go away, but expect some downtime in the beginning.
I want a learning experience and a challenge. And customise EVERYTHING!
I’d probably recommend LFS over Gentoo for that—you do more “yourself” and I found the LFS instructions easier to follow than the Gentoo install guide. And I’d say I learned more about Linux from LFS than from installing Gentoo. But LFS was done over about a month or so for me (not nonstop ofc, just in my free time) whereas Gentoo was 1 or 2 days.
Then go for it! Gentoo is a wonderful option for that goal.
It’s a great distro. You don’t have to compile; lots of packages are available as binaries, but having the option to compile the latest version of things is cool. Definitely worth a try, especially if you were using arch before.
I would definitely conpile everything from source
All Gentoo users remember the pain of compiling QtWebEngine ;)
I used to run Gentoo on my old computer. Installing it was quite the experience. That was where I learnt about most of how Linux works thanks to the wiki.
I heard compiling your own packages with use flags can improve performance, but honestly it was not worth it for the compile time.
When I switched to my new PC, the Nvidia GPU doesn’t work and I could not figure out why. I also don’t have the time at that moment so I installed Endeavour instead, which I’m still using.
Nowadays the worst thing appears to be compiling chromium with X and Wayland support.
Who needs chrome?
Well, I just wanted it as a secondary browser when troubleshooting firefox.
Yes. Gentoo is always a good idea :)
Why do you want switch to Gentoo in the first place? I think its a good idea if you want to customize and build lot of applications yourself. Besides heavy hitters like browsers or the Kernel. So only you can answer if this is a good idea for you.
I thought input and experience from other people would be a gold idea since i dont want to spend a ton of time on my Linux install just to notice that it is unrelyable and bloated.
How is it bloated if you decide what to put on? Gentoo isn’t a traditional distribution, its what you make it to. Still you have to answer for yourself why you even want to switch to Gentoo. And if all the extra work for compilation is worth it. Do you even want to compile everything and customize the compilation process? If not, maybe Gentoo is not for you. That’s the thing. Only you can answer that.
Seeing how you take great pride in mentioning the distro you use (by the way) I fully recommend using Gentoo so you can one-up those Arch peasants. That is about all the practical use you’re going to get out of it though.