Saint-Raphaël's right-wing mayor, no stranger to media stunts, has vowed to 'put an end to the lies about the reality of communist totalitarianism.' In response, the French Communist Party and other left-wing groups denounced the 'revisionism of history.'
Listen, people from the former Soviet bloc, we get it, you were traumatized. But you can’t just blanketly force your bad experience on the rest of us. In much of the world, the polarity of your experience was reversed. Communists were (and are) the people arguing for democracy for human rights and for liberty. And they were the people persecuted and jailed and tortured for this. Joke all you like, but it’s just simply historical fact in places ranging from Spain and Greece to like Indonesia and Nepal. And in those places, the conflation of communism and Nazism as “totalitarianism” is just obscene.
In France in particular, I mean look at the tricolour: socialist ideas are part of what being French is. And this fascist mayor is doing something obscene, essentially lumping the collaborationists and the pétainistes together with the people who fought against them for a free french people.
Yes, your experiences are valid, but they are not the only ones that are valid.
No it’s not the same. I’m not saying communists built stuff. I’m saying communists fought and got persecuted for democracy and human rights. This is actually historically true in places like the ones I mention in my post, places like Greece, Chile, Indonesia, etc. Show me one fucking place in the world where Nazis/fascists fought for democracy and human rights. I’ll wait.
Communist never fought for democracy but for communism. The stuff you are mentioning was the same stuff NSDAP fought four because it was socialist as well. You are unaducated idiot supporting murderous regime. You are ommiting milions of people who died as direct result of communism either as enemy of the regime or in famine. In my country it is a crime to deny the crimes of nazi and communist regimes on the same level, because they are equally dangerous and are equally horrible. Again, shame on you, go masturbate over Marx, Lenin and Mao somewhere else.
I’m not denying the crimes of communist regimes. See my first post. Millions suffered under them, and that pain deserves full recognition. Those experiences are valid.
But my point wasn’t “Stalin good.” My point was that in places like Greece, Spain, Chile, Indonesia, and others, communists were the ones who resisted fascists, fought for democracy, and were jailed or killed for it. That’s a historical fact, whether you like it or not.
Nazis never fought for democracy, ever. That is also historical fact.
And that’s the difference. Saying that Nazis were socialists is a tired talking point that is false and debunked.
If you want to argue history, bring evidence. If you just want to throw insults, then you’re not debating, you’re venting. Go vent elsewhere.
Listen, people from the former Soviet bloc, we get it, you were traumatized. But you can’t just blanketly force your bad experience on the rest of us. In much of the world, the polarity of your experience was reversed. Communists were (and are) the people arguing for democracy for human rights and for liberty. And they were the people persecuted and jailed and tortured for this. Joke all you like, but it’s just simply historical fact in places ranging from Spain and Greece to like Indonesia and Nepal. And in those places, the conflation of communism and Nazism as “totalitarianism” is just obscene.
In France in particular, I mean look at the tricolour: socialist ideas are part of what being French is. And this fascist mayor is doing something obscene, essentially lumping the collaborationists and the pétainistes together with the people who fought against them for a free french people.
Yes, your experiences are valid, but they are not the only ones that are valid.
I’m confused who you’re addressing your comment to. The article is about a French town. That’s not the former soviet bloc.
You got kicked in a head by a horse? Your “argument” is equal to saying “Nazis werent all bad, they build highways.” Shame on you.
No it’s not the same. I’m not saying communists built stuff. I’m saying communists fought and got persecuted for democracy and human rights. This is actually historically true in places like the ones I mention in my post, places like Greece, Chile, Indonesia, etc. Show me one fucking place in the world where Nazis/fascists fought for democracy and human rights. I’ll wait.
Communist never fought for democracy but for communism. The stuff you are mentioning was the same stuff NSDAP fought four because it was socialist as well. You are unaducated idiot supporting murderous regime. You are ommiting milions of people who died as direct result of communism either as enemy of the regime or in famine. In my country it is a crime to deny the crimes of nazi and communist regimes on the same level, because they are equally dangerous and are equally horrible. Again, shame on you, go masturbate over Marx, Lenin and Mao somewhere else.
I’m not denying the crimes of communist regimes. See my first post. Millions suffered under them, and that pain deserves full recognition. Those experiences are valid.
But my point wasn’t “Stalin good.” My point was that in places like Greece, Spain, Chile, Indonesia, and others, communists were the ones who resisted fascists, fought for democracy, and were jailed or killed for it. That’s a historical fact, whether you like it or not.
Nazis never fought for democracy, ever. That is also historical fact.
And that’s the difference. Saying that Nazis were socialists is a tired talking point that is false and debunked.
If you want to argue history, bring evidence. If you just want to throw insults, then you’re not debating, you’re venting. Go vent elsewhere.