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Not gonna happen anytime soon.
And there is no majority for it in UK when the reality of rejoining is explained.- Give up the British pound and switch to Euro.
- Pay full price, the old discount membership is not an option.
- Dismantle FPP elections and House of lords which are both utterly undemocratic, and cause political instability.
- Being willing to allow EU to become even tighter (may imply giving up an additional bit of sovereignty) to be able to work with more new member states, and avoid a Hungary situation in the future.
There is a majority in general that is for reentering, but when the above points are stated, support in the general population drops to about 13%!!
It’s probably higher among younger people, but without mentioning the above points, no poll on reentering is worth anything, because they are polling a pipedream.
Canada will join EU before UK does.
As things are going it is not impossible. But Canada still rely on USA as their most significant trading partner, and EU membership would dramatically complicate that relationship.
EU membership would dramatically complicate that relationship.
Threatening to annex Canada and economically attacking dramatically complicated that relationship.
Absolutely, but USA remains the biggest market for Canada.
Point 4 has something in the works for 65% of countries representing 75% of the population or something like that. Unanimity is difficult with growing pools.
The other three are chefs kiss though.
The problem is that we need a mechanism to stop a single country to hold back all of EU for years.
I think most agree on that. Problem is that it probably requires to take a way a bit of sovereignty to achieve that.
So it has to be done very carefully, to protect the rights of individual countries.
As it is it has worked extremely well, except for the situation with Hungary that were traitors within EU that supported Russia over EU.
The EU requires its members to abandon FPtP elections? Is that for all electable branches of government? That’s awesome.
IDK if there are situations where it’s not as bad as in UK. If the position has limited power, it may not be an issue. But in UK it’s not just the government, it’s the entire parliament, meaning it is crippling the opposition that is the main check on the government, and creating governments that have a vast majority, so even if some of their own don’t follow the party line, they can press things through with majority anyway.
I have only heard it mentioned specifically regarding UK parliament.
Why would the UK have to give up the pound for Euro? Isn’t the political institution still different from the Euro collective (or however it’s called in EN)?
All new member states must join the Eurozone once they meet the economic convergence criteria.
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I really think that it’s time to stop bashing the Brits. Esp. those younger brits. There are many Pro-Europeans who got totally fucked by the older generation. Many of those older Pro-Brexit voters do not have to deal with border controls and bad job prospects, because they are dead. No one who is currently under 28 was even allowed to vote.
So stop the senseless bashing and let’s try to work together to bring the UK back.
I am happy to have them back, but they should get zero special treatment this time. Full benefits, but also full financial responsibility and ideally Euro integration.
They need to take the euro and move to pr-st voting.
They had a great deal and fucked it, letting them inwith Farage athe door is disrespectful to us in europe.
When is the plot from? It would be interesting to compare one plot from 10 years ago with one plot from today to see if the numbers in favour of EU is increasing in the middle age groups as the young people becomes middle aged or if people are losing faith in EU as they grew older.
Edit: okay, since it says leave and remain it has to be from 10 years ago.
Edit: okay, since it says leave and remain it has to be from 10 years ago.
Yes, it’s an exit poll from the Brexit vote
I remember before Brexit, I was still on Facebook. That’s been so long I struggle to remember exactly how Facebook worked; mostly you were posting among your own coterie of friends but some places were more public. I remember posting my own “You really don’t want to do that” on the subject of Brexit, and some idiot Brit came back with “you yanks don’t know what it’s like having your laws made for you by politicians you didn’t elect 500 miles away.”
Motherfucker I live almost exactly that far from Washington DC, out of 435 congressman and 100 senators I get to vote for exactly three of them. The difference between me and the average citizen of the UK is I understand what it means to be a citizen of a federation.
In the words of my grandfather: “You made your bed, now eat it.”
But you obviously don’t understand what a federation is (hint: the EU ain’t one).
I’m a citizen of the United States of America. I know what a federation is, the separation of powers between my state’s government in Raleigh and my nation’s government in Washington D.C. has direct effects on my daily life.
Per Wikipedia, “The EU is often described as a sui generis political entity combining characteristics of both a federation and a confederation.” So it’s a Federation Umm Actually. The part where it has a legislature populated by delegates from each member state is the relevant characteristic here, a trait the EU shares with federations.
That Blimey Limey that bitched at me years ago was presumably expressing frustration that the United Kingdom only got to send one representative to the EU Council, and then accused me of not knowing what life is like in the United States of Mitch McConnell.
A few federal traits does not make a federation. My federal government in Berlin impacts me on a daily basis, and it may overrule state or communal governments. My state shares a common constitution with the other states and leaves a bunch of tasks completely on a federal level; they could not function on their own.
The institutions in Brussels on the other hand do not impact me much, mostly because they relate to specific areas like trade or environment. Member states retain a very high degree of sovereignty, so much that the EU constitutes a unique, supranational construct. Non-members like Switzerland or Norway can productively co-exist with treaties, a bureaucratic hurdle the UK has to face now, too.
This blimey limey has been told by rat catchers that Brussels has far more power than it really has. I mean we weren’t allowed to call jam products marmelade because of the brits (this has been reversed yay). That’s the level of impact for the average Joe and Jane.
Argue about how specialweshul you are until you’re blue with stars in the face. Doesn’t change the fact that an idiot with bad teeth said something stupid to me over a decade ago.
I guess not, but he also didn’t start talking semantics. Also, bad teeth have usually financial reasons if dental care isn’t part of the healthcare package.
Brexit is a perfect example of old people fucking up young people lives.
I think it’s the perfect example of people not voting and then complaining. Old people had the biggest turnout and it’s the opposite for the younger ones. If they did bother to go vote things would be different
Sadly, it’ll take years for the UK to rejon the EU, and only if there’s a government that actually wants it too.
There are unbelievable levels of bureaucracy in the entire process. Tons of topics to negotiate, requirements to meet and verify.
There’s at least one country that will become a new EU member before the UK rejoins. Possibly 2 or 3, depending on how the others do.
It’s just sad how much time and resources were wasted because of this idiotic move. So many Brits could be living considerably better lives, but instead they have to deal with this shit for like 20-30 years in total. But hey, the politicians got their votes, ruled the country for a while, and they’re set for life.
Decades*
That’s how long it takes.
Not only would UK not get any special deal, but they would have to align in terms of anti-corruption, monetary policy, infrastructure, health, food, commodity, energy sector planning.
Facilitating corruption is the biggest single component of the UK economy, ain’t no way its ever meeting those requirements.
Very true. It’d have to completely revise most of its policies. As an existing member, it could have negotiated special terms or just stalled, but as a candidate, it has to follow requirements to the letter.
Kind of like an existing employee at a company can slack off or make silly mistakes, but a candidate on an interview cannot, because they just won’t get accepted.
The UK should never rejoin until it abolishes its first past the post system.
Well, Britain has had the same foreign policy for the past 500 years. Create a disunited Europe.
Not completely true, they were immune to a lot of continental issues so they could just wait until they were ready and Europe (mostly France) wasn’t. They could have a non interference policy anytime something went wrong. (see 1930s)
Sorry, this is actually a quote from an old comedy series called “Yes, Minister”.
Brexit is turning into one of those rare political decisions where the people who will live with the consequences the longest were mostly too young to vote on it. Whether rejoining happens or not, the generational divide on Europe’s future is becoming impossible to ignore.