Another shitty lobby demand became regulation just like that. Besides, protecting the label „burger“? Really? You know what I‘ll just call them sandwiches from now on. Fuck that.
There’s at least two more votes at different levels before this becomes regulation.
Meanwhile Brussels city just scrapped the money to shelter homeless when it’s freezing
This stinks of (rotten) meat lobby.
I hope the meat substitute industry comes up with some kind of ‘it’s not meat’ marketing campaign to counter this.
It worked for oat milk. I’m buying “no milk” all the time 😅
NOT M!LK :)
A company here just calls everything Salmo’n, Chicke’n and so on, technically it isn’t the actual word.
Praise the lord.
Congrats to the meat-farmers and -industry! It shows you are “winning” the game against vegetarians and vegans. Now you can finally stop your usual whining about subsidies and the like - everything solved eh?
Praise the lord
I’m sorry, but the “green” burgers aren’t burgers. It’s the same like calling margarine butter.
Yeah “green” burgers don’t involve torturing sentient beings.
sentient beings
lol only torture is your anthropomorphism
Non-human animals with brains and central nervous systems are sentient. Your anthropocentrism is showing.
Haha
Keep digging the hole.
Plants are sentient they feel pain.
😑 so torture a bunch of alfalfa, or a bunch of alfalfa and a much larger more sentient cow as well?
I just stated a fact. I didn’t share my opinion on veganism. You just established that you aren’t against the torturing of sentient beings and that you think life dying in order to support other life is a good thing. That you do infact see some life as inferior to other life. I just wanted to point out your extremely poor choice of words lol
Wow. This is the state of our education system.
Wow.
They are not, they don’t even have a central nervous system.
Plants have feelings too
No, they do not. There is no serious study to suggest that they do. Plants do not have a brain or central nervous system. At most, they respond to stimuli. If you really care that much about the welfare of plants, you should go vegan, since many more plants “die” for animal feeding. Do you feel bad while mowing your lawn? And would you rather rescue a potted plant than a dog from a burning house? Is docking pig tails the same as branch trimming to you? Question upon question…
Edit: Getting downvoted for scientific facts.
Manches der Sachen in der Bullshit Bingo sind wirklich Bullshit seitens der Veganer*innen. Sind nicht viele, aber da sind zwei, drei Sachen.
Als fast Vegetarier*in kann ich schon gut nachvollziehen warum Leute vegan werden. Aber es halt auch einiges an Misinfo seitens Veganer*innen z.B. die Sache mit dem Lab, wo Statistiken aus der USA verwendet werden obwohl in Europa eher künstliches Lab gängiger ist.
Ich würde auch nie behaupten, dass alle Veganis immer die Wahrheit sagen. Aber welche Misinfo meinst du denn genau? Über Lab-Statistiken weiß ich nichts, steht das da auf der Seite?
Es sind halt so manche Sachen die halt oft falsch von irgendwelche Moralapostel wiedergegeben werden. Da wird z.B. bzgl. Käse gerne gesagt, dass Kälber geschlachtet werden nur um an tierisches Lab zu kommen um Käse herstellen zu können obwohl bei ca. 80% aller heimischen Käsen künstliches Lab benutzt wird, da diese günstiger und leichter zugänglich ist.
Auch wird gerne gesagt, dass alles Milch aus der unfreiwilligen Schwängerung von Kühen kommt obwohl es reichlich Biobauernhöfe gibt, die keine erzwungene Schwangerschaft machen sondern einen Bullen mit den Kühen auf die Weide stellen sobald die Kühe wieder brünstig werden. Die Zeit zwischen Gebären und Brunst variiert von Tier zu Tier. Bei Kühen ist es etwa vier Wochen. Ziegen zwei Wochen. Schafe sechs Monate.
Wer tierische Produkte gänzlich meiden will, hab ich mit keine Probleme, solange man nicht irgendwelche Peta oder ALF Argumente benutzt die gar nicht stimmen.
Gegen Vegetarismus gibt es kaum Gegenargumente wenn Vegetarismus gewissenhaft eingehalten wird. Gibt aber genug Vegetarier*innen, die sich nicht bewusst sind welche Firmen bei Molkerei und Eierprodukte unnötiges Tierleid verursachen.
That’s why they’re called veggie burgers, or are you just unfamiliar with how language works? Would you accept a glass of body milk with your breakfast?
I don’t mind if a meat-free burger is called a burger, as long as they make clear there’s no meat in it. “Meat-free burger”, “vegan burger”, I think that’s fine.
The same boomers whining about “vegan burgers” also whine about margarine being called margarine instead of butter, all while hating real butter for being “hard to spread and tasting the same”.
You’re supposed to leave the butter out of the fridge. And tastes really good, unlike margarine.
Haha yeah awesome real problems getting solved by serious politicians here, guys! If you can actually get your hands on any real meat without paying an arm and a leg for it what the actual fuck are we doing here lads what the fuck are these fucking politicians doing???
The world is on fire, the economy is in the shitter globally, there are multiple ongoing genocides, facism is on the rise again, and we’re wiggling our dicks around talking about whether you can call veggie burgers “burgers”? Are you serious? WHO CARES???
Is this bring your kid to work day and they let the kids do a vote for a change instead as a treat? Is this a joke?? What motherfucker is getting into politics to make sure “hey those damn vegans better not call anything a burger”.
These poncy little briefcase-botherers need a hobby or something because this is absolutely the biggest case of dicking around on the job I’ve ever heard of. Ridiculous. Stupid. A joke. Pathetic. Childish. Vapid. Can we get some adults in the EU Parliament please?
why are they doing this shit when there are so many problems in the world?
because they already participated in those problems.
In reality, it’s because the farming lobby is the biggest lobby inside the EU. This is an easy “win” that MEPs can use to get beef farmers to vote for them again.
Same reason CAP will never be reformed.
Or.
We could tackle multiple problems at once. Why does it have to be a this-or-that thing?
This is in a very literal way not a problem though. They were just bribed by the meat industry.
I’m totally in favour of solving multiple problems at once.
Personally, I do not view this as a problem. My issue is with the EU Parliament wasting time with this in place of anything that I perceive as an actual problem.
If you think that calling veggie burgers “burgers” is a problem worth their time and effort, more power to you 👍
To me this is also a non problem. But if they can solve it just so they can move on, that’d be great
Voting the way an industry told them to vote is not solving anything. Shouldn’t have been considered worthy of a vote at all.
I’m paying 50% income taxes to pay for a bunch of cronies to chitchat about this bullcrap. Meanwhile they just scraped the money to shelter homeless people during winter
Because resources must be prioritized. There simply are more pressing matters to tend to.
This is a non-issue and should have the lowest priority as it’s pandering to a lobby and will likely result in backfiring because more creative names will pop up, possibly leading to even more acceptance of vegan products 😁
Honestly, coming up with a better name would be great. It would likely help the vegan products as well
This is just stupid. Make it clear the product doesn’t have meat in it. It’s not that hard. Surely people can’t be confused by veggie burger vs burger?
Current labelling is correctly understood by 70% of sampled population according to the article. That’s lower than I would have expected.
You underestimate how stupid the average person is.
As clearly shown in this thread. Sooo many deeply stupid comments. The vast majority agreeing with this change, general anti-vegan idiocy, and trolls. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a comment section for something even remotely related to veganism without shitty and dumb people like that, it’s like they sit and scour the whole Internet with every minute of their time, ready to jump in and act like children who got their lollipop stolen. They’re pathetic people.
I went vegetarian two years ago and cannot for the life of me fathom how one cannot differentiate… That said, I’m from Sweden and products in other countries might be marketed differently so I wouldn’t be able to say, but still.
Only issue I often come across here in Sweden is that different companies use “veggie” differently. Some use it only for vegan products, others use it for vegetarian products and it’s not always clear which is which without reading the ingredients list. I’ve accidentally bought stuff with milk, cheese and eggs in them many times because it wasn’t clearly written anywhere and it’s easy to miss stuff when you’re at the store and reading the (often long) ingredient list of several things while in a hurry. It happens even more often with family and friends who aren’t vegan and buy stuff they usually don’t when they make food for you. In those cases I still eat the food, just point out the non-vegan ingredient(s) the product has and ask them to just look at the ingredients list when buying and/or even calling me so I can help them.
Never underestimate what people can get confused about. People will also still buy veggie burgers expecting them to have meat, after they would be relabeled eventually.
I’d go a step further and require labeling meat as having come from an animal. So the source of food would have to precede the term, such as “cow burger”, “pig burger”. Can do the same for milk. Make all dairy farmers put “cow milk” rather than just “milk”. It’s way less confusing that way. Include a warning that the product contains lactose. Instead of a logo to signify vegetarian products, make one to signify animal products. Use the silhouette of a horse or something.
It’s an excuse A bullshit one. The real reason for this “problem” being addressed is that the meat industry is threatened, and lobbies hard to fight the plant based industry.
But they will lose, eventually.
Fucking idiots. Almost nobody is able to decipher the ingredients including E numbers, but people are confused by “burger”
this has nothing to do with people being confused, and everything with meat industry being worried about their profits
I know. Tönnies sei dank
I’m sure this critical decision will help us.
Finally EU is back innovating! Oh wait 🤦♂️
I’m a french vegetarian living in France, and I couldn’t care less about this decision, the people arguing for either side are really wasting their time on this, who cares how it’s called honestly ? As long as the products are available in store and the labeling is different, which it always is, and very clearly: veggie based product try their best to make sure vegetarian and vegans will identify them easily and will know without a doubt that it is not meat. Who care that it is called a “burger”, “steak” or something else ?
I’d like to add that “I know who cares” my question is rethoric, those who care are idiots wasting parliament’s time.
You should care that people you’re paying taxes to are wasting time discussing and voting on special interest nonsense like this.
I should, and normally I would, but right now french politics is so crazy, this particular issue seems very low stakes in comparison.
What a great Democratic organ taking care of the true problems of the days /s
It’s not like they can’t do several things at once. Small things add up.
Bullshit. I’m not paying 50% taxes so a bunch of idiot can whine about “fake meat”.
That’s not how it works. You don’t pay 50% taxes to have that.
I understand you think it’s not something you’d like the EU to spend money on, but this whole “I pay loads of taxes For This?!” is just making the discussion become quite low level IMO.
Yeah well I remember you’re a genocide supporter so…
Still higher than you
I’m not, you are probably upset because I didn’t buy into your tankie crap or some other conspiracy theory 100%.
You seem to be a very very angry person.
Veggie burgers have been around since the 1940s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veggie_burger
The Morningstar ones are damn good too. I think they’re black bean based.
Much better than the Impossible to eat burger.
I doubt it’ll actually go through.
They’re clearly labeled “veggie”, “vegitarian” or “vegan”, and consumers understand those labels to mean, at minimum, no meat.
“Sausage”, I can see how you could argue it has to contain meat to be called a sausage. I don’t agree, but I can understand the argument being made.
“Burger”, however. Is distinctly different than “hamburger”, in fact, we often substitute the prefix to fit whatever it is. (Not that hamburgers are made of ham, i know it comes from hamburg) Such as, “fish-burger” or “chicken-burger”, so why would “veggie-burger” be any more confusing than “fish-burger”?
“Sausage”, I can see how you could argue it has to contain meat to be called a sausage.
I don’t; the defining feature of sausage isn’t that it’s meat, it’s the fact that it’s stuffed in a tube. If people want to grind up veggies and stuff them in a tube, why would that not be a veggie sausage?
grind up veggies and stuff them in a tube, why would that not be a veggie sausage?
Salad dildo
“Sausage”, is a traditional name of minced meat stuffed into a sleeve, It exists in numerous cultures all over the world, and the principle is the same. So an argument could be made, that “Sausage” is inherently viewed as a meat product by default. And could be confusing for consumers.
Again, I would also disagree with that argument, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be made. Just because we disagree with something doesn’t mean it can’t be made.
I’ve never said something can’t be a “Veggie sausage”, like I said… It’s clearly labeled “Veggie”
It’s not just meat usually though.
It’s a mix of mostly meat, some flour or even vegetables (like onion) and seasoning. Sometimes you can even have cheesy sausages.
Some sausages here are as low as 11% of meat. Then again there is “product that’s comparable to meat” for a more significant portion, but rest flour and other things. You just can’t call minced ligaments and fat “meat” here but anyway I think sausages are more about the way they’re made and their shape than being made of meat
I am well aware. You don’t have to convince me of what I already think. I just said an argument can be made given the long lineage of the name “Sausage” and its respective local counterpart.
Regardless. Just to be super clear. As far as I’m concerned, EU can fuck off with this one, it’s not something that needs to be regulated on an EU level. Each member is perfectly capable of deciding themselves what can and can not be called “Sausage”.
This is just France trying to throw its weight around to appease their own farmers. Why they wanted to involve EU in it is beyond me.
Language is descriptive not prescriptive.
If “veggie sausage” conveys what I mean, then it’s perfectly acceptable language.
The only reason there’s even a question about this is because the meat industry is panicking.
I thought you could stuff anything into a bun shaped piece of bread and call it a burger.
Same tact the meat lobbies used in the US.
When will they ban the name of the Hungarian dessert “Bird Milk” for being made of cow milk, sugar, vanilla extract, and eggs, instead of milk from birds?
Milk comes from women’s breasts.
Legally, it should be named cow water.
Bovine drippins
Calves drink
Good to see the parliament tackling the most pressing issues.