Good to see the parliament tackling the most pressing issues.
Are veggie patties really sold as “Burgers” in the EU? A Burger is technically a dish, it deppends what you put in it, as far as I understand. You can have an Egg burger, or a turd burger.
Fuck the meat industry, btw. If it’s dying - time to get a “real” job. Free market and all.
Both meat and veggie patties are sold as ‘burgers’ in the EU. Not always of course - the naming may vary, but this one is fairly common in my area.
I’d argue those are only burgers if they have a hamburger base, ground beef. Otherwise they’re sandwiches; egg sandwich or a turd sandwich.
I see! Thanks for the clarification.
Seems a bit idiotic to me. So what’s a burger with veggie substitutes supposed to be called? Vegger?
Cause the world isnt burning and you can spend time to worry about this shite
This is called the “relative privation fallacy” - where it’s stated or implied that action shouldn’t be taken on one issue because larger issues also exist. It’s like suggesting that the police shouldn’t try to catch pickpockets because unsolved murders exist.
The truth is that it’s possible for organisations to work on multiple fronts at once and that making rules around food labelling doesn’t imply that “the world is[…] burning” isn’t also something that’s being worked on.
Haha yeah awesome real problems getting solved by serious politicians here, guys! If you can actually get your hands on any real meat without paying an arm and a leg for it what the actual fuck are we doing here lads what the fuck are these fucking politicians doing???
The world is on fire, the economy is in the shitter globally, there are multiple ongoing genocides, facism is on the rise again, and we’re wiggling our dicks around talking about whether you can call veggie burgers “burgers”? Are you serious? WHO CARES???
Is this bring your kid to work day and they let the kids do a vote for a change instead as a treat? Is this a joke?? What motherfucker is getting into politics to make sure “hey those damn vegans better not call anything a burger”.
These poncy little briefcase-botherers need a hobby or something because this is absolutely the biggest case of dicking around on the job I’ve ever heard of. Ridiculous. Stupid. A joke. Pathetic. Childish. Vapid. Can we get some adults in the EU Parliament please?
Or.
We could tackle multiple problems at once. Why does it have to be a this-or-that thing?
I’m totally in favour of solving multiple problems at once.
Personally, I do not view this as a problem. My issue is with the EU Parliament wasting time with this in place of anything that I perceive as an actual problem.
If you think that calling veggie burgers “burgers” is a problem worth their time and effort, more power to you 👍
I’m paying 50% income taxes to pay for a bunch of cronies to chitchat about this bullcrap. Meanwhile they just scraped the money to shelter homeless people during winter
This is in a very literal way not a problem though. They were just bribed by the meat industry.
Because resources must be prioritized. There simply are more pressing matters to tend to.
This is a non-issue and should have the lowest priority as it’s pandering to a lobby and will likely result in backfiring because more creative names will pop up, possibly leading to even more acceptance of vegan products 😁
why are they doing this shit when there are so many problems in the world?
because they already participated in those problems.
In reality, it’s because the farming lobby is the biggest lobby inside the EU. This is an easy “win” that MEPs can use to get beef farmers to vote for them again.
Same reason CAP will never be reformed.
I’m a french vegetarian living in France, and I couldn’t care less about this decision, the people arguing for either side are really wasting their time on this, who cares how it’s called honestly ? As long as the products are available in store and the labeling is different, which it always is, and very clearly: veggie based product try their best to make sure vegetarian and vegans will identify them easily and will know without a doubt that it is not meat. Who care that it is called a “burger”, “steak” or something else ?
I’d like to add that “I know who cares” my question is rethoric, those who care are idiots wasting parliament’s time.
I’m sure this critical decision will help us.
I doubt it’ll actually go through.
They’re clearly labeled “veggie”, “vegitarian” or “vegan”, and consumers understand those labels to mean, at minimum, no meat.
“Sausage”, I can see how you could argue it has to contain meat to be called a sausage. I don’t agree, but I can understand the argument being made.
“Burger”, however. Is distinctly different than “hamburger”, in fact, we often substitute the prefix to fit whatever it is. (Not that hamburgers are made of ham, i know it comes from hamburg) Such as, “fish-burger” or “chicken-burger”, so why would “veggie-burger” be any more confusing than “fish-burger”?
I thought you could stuff anything into a bun shaped piece of bread and call it a burger.
“Sausage”, I can see how you could argue it has to contain meat to be called a sausage.
I don’t; the defining feature of sausage isn’t that it’s meat, it’s the fact that it’s stuffed in a tube. If people want to grind up veggies and stuff them in a tube, why would that not be a veggie sausage?
grind up veggies and stuff them in a tube, why would that not be a veggie sausage?
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“Sausage”, is a traditional name of minced meat stuffed into a sleeve, It exists in numerous cultures all over the world, and the principle is the same. So an argument could be made, that “Sausage” is inherently viewed as a meat product by default. And could be confusing for consumers.
Again, I would also disagree with that argument, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be made. Just because we disagree with something doesn’t mean it can’t be made.
I’ve never said something can’t be a “Veggie sausage”, like I said… It’s clearly labeled “Veggie”
It’s not just meat usually though.
It’s a mix of mostly meat, some flour or even vegetables (like onion) and seasoning. Sometimes you can even have cheesy sausages.
Some sausages here are as low as 11% of meat. Then again there is “product that’s comparable to meat” for a more significant portion, but rest flour and other things. You just can’t call minced ligaments and fat “meat” here but anyway I think sausages are more about the way they’re made and their shape than being made of meat
I am well aware. You don’t have to convince me of what I already think. I just said an argument can be made given the long lineage of the name “Sausage” and its respective local counterpart.
Regardless. Just to be super clear. As far as I’m concerned, EU can fuck off with this one, it’s not something that needs to be regulated on an EU level. Each member is perfectly capable of deciding themselves what can and can not be called “Sausage”.
This is just France trying to throw its weight around to appease their own farmers. Why they wanted to involve EU in it is beyond me.
Language is descriptive not prescriptive.
If “veggie sausage” conveys what I mean, then it’s perfectly acceptable language.
The only reason there’s even a question about this is because the meat industry is panicking.
Should name products made from animals as they are: spherical gassed pig after a short, miserable life without ever seeing daylight. Or: salty fat from methane burping cows that could also have fed their killed off offspring.
salty fat from methane burping cows that could also have fed their killed off offspring.
Who eats suet and why have you made it salty? I’d think “salty fat” would be closer to bacon.
It’s a favorite vegan pastime to invent the most disgustable description of animal based foods possible.
Well I’m sorry to say but I think you just won’t be able to come up with anything that would deter someone.
I guess the most commonly used word to describe a poop in Swedish can’t be used anymore. Bajskorv, or poop sausage.
This decision is beyond stupid and smells of corruption. Sausage, burger etc. have been used to describe the shape of things for decades. I could agree that plant beef, or halumi pork would be an issue, but not this.
Veggie burgers have been around since the 1940s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veggie_burger
The Morningstar ones are damn good too. I think they’re black bean based.
Much better than the Impossible to eat burger.
It’s going to be fun to watch how this completely backfires on these idiots. People are not at all confused when they pick up plant-based meat alternatives. And they’re going to be even less confused now that those meat alternatives don’t use those bullshit terms. It’s going to be even easier to choose a meat-free option in the EU going forward. Which is clearly what people want.
I can’t wait to hear these whiny ass farmers bitching and whining that nobody’s buying there death meat.
Investing time and money into producing meat alternatives for the growing market share of vegans and vegetarians? Hell no, better throw our money on a dumpster fire of lobbyism and denial.
Just out of spite i will from now on refer to milk as cow drink.
Milk is filtered blood
Thank you EU for working on the things that truly matter! Not since the fascists “tramezzino” have we had such useful policing of words.
On the upside, now I can confidently avoid anything labelled burger and sausage.
OMG you’re right. This is backdoor piecemeal vegan labeling.
This give me an idea. Maybe we can actually get universal vegan labeling if we couch it as a WARNING LABEL. Careful! This is vegan!
That would be an amazing law to see passed.
“Its maddening! They’ve even got vegan apples nowadays. Something as ancient and simple as apples and they’ve gone and made them all vegan,” they will say.
Did you know that there is vegan food hiding unlabelled in your supermarket? Many popular brands and products are so-called ‘accidentally vegan’. Your favourite cookies might be sneaking vegan food into your family’s home. Demand that lawmakers legislate this vegan menace with clear labeling of all vegan products!
Well… the restriction is for vegan food not being labeled as burger/sausage, but it does not legally prevent someone from calling something a non-burger or non-sausage and still have meat in it.
From the eu Parliament document: *3. ‘Meat products’ means processed products resulting from the processing of meat or from the further processing of such processed products, so that the cut surface shows that the product no longer has the characteristics of fresh meat. Names that fall under Article 17 of Regulation (EU) No 1169/2011 that are currently used for meat products and meat preparations shall be reserved exclusively for products containing meat.
These names include, for example:
- Steak
- Escalope
- Sausage
- Burger
- Hamburger
- Egg yolk
- Egg white*
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/A-10-2025-0161_EN.html Use ctrl+f “burger” to find it in the text.
This not only affects vegetarian food, but also salmon steak for example. It’s a populist political move that doesn’t seem to be backed up by any linguistic science, as if mystery sausages haven’t been a thing for centuries. As long as it looks like a sausage, it is a sausage. It’s also not law yet, the member states still have to approve those amendements.
Ps, this gave me an idea for possible vegetarian branding: names like “not a burger” seem to still be allowed, so a line of foodstuffs called “not a sausage” etc might be fun.
Ps, this gave me an idea for possible vegetarian branding: names like “not a burger” seem to still be allowed, so a line of foodstuffs called “not a sausage” etc might be fun.
That’s definitely gonna happen, there’s already a plant drink brand named “this is not m*lk” (including the censoring) in Germany, as here a similar ban is already in effect for the word “milk” to exclude soy milk / oat milk / …
Which is really funny because soy milk, oat milk, and almond milk have existed as such for literally hundreds of years.
And etymologically cow’s milk actually takes its name from those, not the other way around.I was apparently misremembering something. It’s still a fact though that the word milk has been associated with alternate plant based versions for literal centuries.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/almond-milk-obsession-origins-middle-ages
And etymologically cow’s milk actually takes its name from those, not the other way around
Source? That seems unlikely
Yeah I was misremembering something saw at some point. The other point still stands though.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/almond-milk-obsession-origins-middle-ages
They should just change one or two letters or make them phonetically similar. Such as borgir, sossich, wurzt and stek.
Edit: Been having issues with Lemmy today. That’s probably why it triple posted my comment.
In Germany I’ve seen some vegan restaurants replace some letter with “v” for vegan.
Like “vurst” instead of “wurst” (sausage) or “vleish” instead of “fleish” (meat).
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Looking forward to “extruded logs” hitting the shelves