This is a shift Europeans are having to make reluctantly
Yes it was reluctantly at first, but I don’t think it is so much anymore.
EU has shown to be better at handling a crisis situation than we ourselves expected, and unity in EU and Europe on the issue, has resulted in way less reluctance as programs are decided upon in unity, like the EU SAFE program that for instance Canada and Japan have joined.
The strong cooperation in EU and Europe in many areas has shown us that we can act with decisiveness in unity when it counts. And when pressured from outside, the EU countries can stand together.More than at any previous time, European policymakers are having a crisis of faith in the American system itself
Abso-fucking-lutely!
The problem is not just Trump, it’s the American population and the Republicans and the American dysfunctional democracy.The two Franco-British-led coalitions of the willing, formed to organize European action in the Ukrainian and Gulf theaters, are cases in point.
Exactly, the success of the European determination to help Ukraine without USA is amazing. 👍 😎
help Ukraine without USA i
Has the USA stopped delivering weapons and stopped doing reconnaissance?
Yes, all weapons from USA are now bought at a 10% surcharge by NATO countries that continue to support Ukraine, and the coalition of the willing.
USA may help with things that cost them nothing, but as it is now, USA is profiteering extra from it’s allies on weapon deliveries to Ukraine.
Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.
USA has been zero help since Trump became president, where USA actually has helped Russia more, for instance allowing them full access to Starlink. Which was finally ended earlier this year.Fuck USA!!
Yes, all weapons from USA are now bought at a 10% surcharge by NATO
So no, the US still delivers, they just made the EU pay for it.
They made their ‘allies’ pay a 10% surcharge… and then spent the ammunition on a fruitless war with Iran instead. So, no, they are not sending weapons or ammunition any more.
It just highlights the dependency on the US. To frame it as if the EU is fighting without the US gives the opposite impression.
How would you call it? Fighting with or alongside the US? Or is it neither?
Trick question because I think we are fighting for the US.
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in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
We are past that opportunity but the EU and Russia could have formed an economic union and could have become that challenger.
Instead China is about to become that challenger. The US cannot isolate China if Russia is delivering all necessary resources. So the US is using the Ukraine war to weaken Russia to change that somehow.
Buying the weapons is not a problem. Buying government bonds was the way of the EU to finance the US
governmentweapons programs. With tariffs that has shifted to direct purchases.So to the EU it looks like we just defend Ukraine. But the big winner is the US because they achieve their long-term goal, which turns the with into a for.
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Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.
So no, even when profiteering extra from it, USA is unreliable.
Why are you always like this? Always with something stupid that is clearly false?!?!Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.
Do you have a source for that? They have haltet rockets for the Patriot system because there is a shortage. But there is no general stop like in 2025.
Recent news are about increased delivery.
To keep the Ukrainian armed forces supplied for the fight against Russia, NATO allies purchase complex weapons from the US through
- Mai 2026 The US State Department approved a potential $373.6-million sale of Joint Direct Attack Munition-Extended Range tail kits to Ukraine.
https://thedefensepost.com/2026/05/06/us-jdam-er-ukraine/
Why are you always like this? Always with something stupid that is clearly false?!?!
I think I could demonstrate that it is correct. There are still deliveries. If that makes me look stupid I have to live with it.
US diverting 20,000 missiles promised for Ukraine to the Middle East
So despite these missiles were already bought and paid for even at a 10% surcharge, Trump and Pentagon decided to not honor the deal.
There may still be deliveries, but USA has once again shown they are not a trustworthy ally, and they are not even a trustworthy supplier.Trump and Pentagon decided to not honor the deal.
That’s one weapon system. It doesn’t change that the US is still a, or even the major weapon supplyer.
The rockets were more urgently needed in the middle east. The US can be blamed for many things but that decision is understandable.
USA has once again shown they are not a trustworthy ally,
No doubt about that.
There’s an old saying in Tennessee—I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, ‘Fool me once, shame on…shame on you.’ Fool me—you can’t get fooled again."
To know the history of the US and to expect to be treated differently than the Philippines is a risky move.
Furthermore, the EU won’t be stable for long. If Russa and China are eliminated, what will the EU be for the US strategically but a challenger?
There are no longer delivered support between allies, they only now deliver sold products to their customers.
Before they were paid in mining rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–United_States_Mineral_Resources_Agreement and Germany buying US government bonds.
After the tariffs, they don’t want a trade deficit, so the money is spent directly.
The war is still coordinated from their base in Wiesbaden. (German) https://www.hessenschau.de/politik/nach-trump-ankuendigung-wiesbaden-vorerst-nicht-von-us-truppenabzug-betroffen-v1,kein-truppenabzug-in-wiesbaden-100.html
France providing majority of intelligence for Ukraine
Also US stopped all ait to Ukraine since Trump took office, and even withheld some thst was allocated under Biden
https://www.cfr.org/articles/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine
Then he put tariffs on it so Europe has to pay more
Then US stopped sending even those already paid for
Looks like the US is still fighting much of the war, but the EU is financing it.
In December, Budanov said Kyiv remained critically dependent on Washington for intelligence, including satellite imagery and early warning systems for ballistic missile launches.
A French defence ministry official also declined to comment directly on the president’s claims, but said much of the intelligence France provides is technical in nature.
Despite strained relations between Washington and Kyiv, there has been no indication that the United States has sharply reduced its intelligence support for Ukraine.
Europe finances 100%, but how much is used to buy weapons from the US? 50%?
The 34 countries of the Coalition of the Willing are financing “100 percent” of the resources granted to Kyiv, including financial support, Macron said.
The US hasn’t stopped all weapon delivery.
VP said stopping US aid to Ukraine is their proudest achievement
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/vance-calls-ending-aid-ukraine-070611609.html
Yes, the aid part. But they are still delivering the weapons.
the officials who are would likely better understand the value of Ukrainian territory.
I am sure they do.
Trump or rather the US elite have decided to end the trade deficit. Making the EU buy all these weapons balances all the products that the US needs from Europe.
They still need to beat Russia to isolate China. Having the EU fully committed to the war makes that easier.
Well, I’d rather believe Macron than your speculations. I think it’s pretty clear EU and allies cover all weapons purchases for Ukraine since Trump took office so nearly 2 years now I don’t understand what are you arguing about? It’s pretty clear and well documented
The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity as the communications were not public, said several European countries will be affected, including in the Baltic region and in Scandinavia.
Some of the weapons in question were purchased by European countries under the Foreign Military Sales program, or FMS, but have not yet been delivered, the sources added.
How convenient they stopped weapon deliveries to countries bordering and closest to russia, Trump would never…
rather believe Macron than your speculations
Not mine but a French defence ministry official and the head of Zelensky’s office
I don’t understand what are you arguing about?
That money is just money. The war still depends on US weapon systems.
How convenient they stopped weapon deliveries to countries bordering and closest to russia,
They need rockets right now in the middle east. I wouldn’t judge this as strategic neglect.
The US have to break down Russia to get China. Unless you see the US handing over the lead to China there is no need to worry about their interest in beating Russia. All the uncertainty is just there to put the Europeans in place.
Yes
Has the USA stopped delivering weapons and stopped doing reconnaissance?
Has the USA ever stopped making their money first and then let it look as if they were delivering weapons and helpful goods?
This goes back to America’s eventual involvement in WW2, which occured only after the UK let America raid all its patents and tech. Very mercenary.
Yep, stopped over a year ago
They stopped paying for it, if we ignore the mineral deal, but they haven’t stopped delivering.
You’re right, they only indefinetely postponed delivering.
Do you have a source? They need the rockets in the middle east, but have they stopped delivering all weapons?
Easy way to discard the problem, those kind of things are never announced. European Union and Ukraine aren’t concerned about deliveries just for the fun of it.
Then what’s your source that they are concerned about more than the rocket delivery, which is justified?
Hey, speak for yourself I ain’t quiet about it!!!
I’m both quiet and loud about it
I was pleasantly surprised to learn recently that a bunch of my friends have also removed most american products from their lives. one friend just buys whatever suits his needs, and moves on. but most of the rest of us in that group have made a conscious choice to not buy american products and/or choose Canadian products instead, without it impacting our lives in any noticeable negative way (cost, availability, quality, etc)
I think the largest impact this has had on me is that the closest grocery store to me has a shitty selection of pickles, it’s still half Bick’s and I’d rather not have pickles than buy american pickles
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Everyone is maneuvering away from the US and Americans are going to find themselves very alone in the world one day, their only partners being those who are also without allies or friends, just like Donald Trump’s personal life. America, rebuilt in the image on DJT.
Quietly? I’M GOING TO AVOID AS MANY AMERICAN PRODUCTS AS I CAN
I took it one step further and try my darndest to choose local products where possible, and if not, smaller EU businesses. Unilever, mondeles, nestlé, etc are companies I now try to actively avoid. Because once we loose the small actors we no longer have any choice left at all. Unfortunately the end game for unregulated markets always end up with monopoles. I know our EU market is regulated, but the enforcement against the actors invested in anti-compeditive behaviours are pretty toothless in my opinion.
Must say the local/small alternatives are actually in most cases better. Ritter Sport chocolate is in my opinion more tasty than marabou and better size. The local ice cream producers also have more interesting options, and Arvid Nordquist coffee taste better. What I am trying to say is that I’m not missing out quite the opposite.
Same, but it’s hard. I do like the variety that comes with small local businesses so it’s a win in my book. As long as i can afford it that is
I don’t think there is anything quiet about it. This has been a long time coming and frankly as an American I don’t know why it was not done sooner.
Almost too quietly.
I was going to say, not so quietly. Everyone everywhere is walking back from the US. The relationship is, at best, a salvage operation.
I agree it hasn’t been entirely quiet, the Greenland affair definitely wasn’t quiet, with many countries stating publicly that they supported Greenland, some of them even sending troops.
Also the Iran war has been criticized by many European leaders as illegal, and USA has at best limited access to airbases controlled by European countries.
Also on trade, when Trump threatened to increase tariffs on EU again, the response from EU was swift, that in that case EU might resort to the Bazooka, a political “weapon” designed to be used against China id necessary, but that could be used against USA too.It has been so clear that Europeans have lost patience with Trump, that Trump has literally raged against it at times.
TBH, that’s the best way to deal with the Trump administration. Try to get away as far as possible. Try to get out of those dependences. But do not talk loud about it, because if so, the demented orange will totally attack you.
Feeling this at my company.
The amount of time I have spent working with European customers has dropped a lot. They are doing whatever they can to buy European instead.
Crazy compared to how freely things worked out years ago. Early 2000s I worked at a company basically doing stuff with all sorts of folks from USA to Europe to Russia to China.
I’M QUITTING AS LOUD AS I CAN.
I’M WITH THIS GUY. EVEN THE BAR I WORK EXTRA AT HAD TO STOP STOCKING JACK DANIELS CAUSE IT JUST WONT SELÖ ANYMORE. ANECDOTAL COMMENT IS ANECDOTAL.
And then there is the UK signing up for Star Shield… Ugh
Quiet quitting? I don’t think this is the right term at all. IMO Europeans, and tourists from any other country for that matter, have made it quite clear that there are a lot fewer of them that want to visit the US or buy products associated with the US. I don’t think they’re being quiet about it at all.
Theres been nothing quiet about it
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Ah, i do love me some silly horizontal progressbar that steals me limited reading space.
You guys can do that? Quiet Quit? That’s…our thing for our own government? Get your own rubbish Europeans!