I fuñly agree with them that it shouldn’t be necessary
I also understand how the world is and that currently a tiny few oligarchs and dictators are willing to burn the world to rule over the ashes and unfortunately there is really only one way to stop that
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Fight for our own oligarchs?
Yes, unfortunately, it’s a necessary evil. The alternatives would be much worse.
That’s naive. Putin is building an army with 1.5 million soldiers, he’s in panic mode and highly unpredictable. The only thing that will stop Russia is strength.
The EU, combined with the UK and Turkey have over 2 million soldiers already, more advanced equipment and vastly more capital.
Also no, Putin isn‘t. He‘s been putting mercenaries of over 40 nations and many Russians into the meat grinder for almost 5 years. Russia has no resources to win any war right now.
Russia has no resources to win any war right now
They’ve got the resources to wage a war, though. “Win” is a relative term.
Win is a pretty clear term. If you get less out of a war than you‘re putting in, you lost. If Russia has this much trouble against little Ukraine they would get absolutely steamrolled by Europe.
NATO without the US has already a higher budget, more soldiers, more vehicles and planes and more modern equipment than Russia.
You’re getting fooled by propaganda which has a habit of portraying their enemies as weaker and stronger at the same time.
Europe is starving its social security, education, infrastructure and healthcare to funnel everything into rearmament while the armaments industry has the lowest return of investment with 50 cents per euro invested.
This is not East vs West, this is class war.
That’s the idea of “yes we definitely need an army” but personally I’m not willing to contribute 😉
I served but okay, keep blabbing on.
You have no counterargument so you get personal
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Let’s be honnest with ourself. We are on lemmy. We are commenting from our home confort about something we don’t have to live.
I don’t get the arguments of our youth. On one hand they say „I‘m not going to die in war for ya“ and on the other side they say „Putin will not attack us because we have way more weapons“
One has to fight for its rights, it’s not given as a present. If a neighbor country is aggressive and unpredictable, one has to serve in military service or civil service. Same as all young men in Germany did as well.
There is “no war, but the class war” because wealthy young men never see combat. Decision makers do not send their own children to die. Putin is also sending the poor.
True. It’s like this for the entire humankind.
Still, standard people nowadays have far more rights and autonomy than in any other time. This was fought by our ancestors in last two centuries. Even the pure possibility to elect a leader, who decides about war, is a pretty new phenomen. If you do not fight for those rights at all needed levels, it will taken away by the wealthy.
So look, this article is about young people fighting for their rights.
I won‘t place hedonistic motifs in the same line as a fight for rights for people.
I don’t know how staying alive and not getting killed is hedonistic.
It’s about your individual being and avoid suffering. Others don’t matter.
There is “no war, but the class war”
Perfect, so we just lay down and take whatever power desires to rule our place? You really think that Germany right now is a dictatorship and any other government would have no detrimental effect on your actual live whatsoever?
autonomous weapons aren’t that far away, and are almost certainly cheaper than veterans
Yes, and you will need people to operate them. Such people are called soldiers.
I said autonomous not remote controlled.
I’m against military duty as well, but why do those protests always assume that conscripts will get sent into warzones? That’s definitely not the case in germany. Conscripts will never get sent into warzones unless germany gets actively attacked. Those protestors think that if military duty gets reactivated, every conscript gets instantly sent to Ukraine. Ffs, this is Germany, not Russia.
Not only that, in the past, Germany had an excellent system of substitute service for people who opted against serving in the military, with plenty of options to choose from.
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They should protest in Moscow and Washington, perhaps also Tehran…
Full service mentality. Love to get up in the morning, go to school for free, have all the amenities they are used to and certainly someone else really should do something so they can repeat that day tomorrow.
I served, I am on the reserve list, I am one of the ones that will go and do something if necessary. But no, you go ahead and do you, everything is taken care of, no need to take over any responsibility other than paying your club membership. I mean, taxes, sorry.